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[-] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago

I feel a bigger divide with Trump, but I still despise the Harris-Biden position on Gaza.

Donated, voted, and will volunteer for Harris, but her position re:enabling Israeli mass murder is a moral and policy disaster imo. Maybe she needs to take it to ensure some funding stream or another, but I don't have insight into that.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Not just funding but hedging against the 7 million Jewish-Americans still sympathetic to Israel and who are also a key voting bloc for Democrats.

Not to mention if they just cold-turkey withdraw all aid to Israel and then Bibi just so happens to ignore Intel of another October 7th terrorist attack (cough false flag), then that would spell doom for Biden and by extension Harris.

I expect a much less amicable tone to Netanyahu following a Democratic win in November.

But can I just say I appreciate your rational position to not necessarily like their policy on Israel but still see the bigger picture, here? For as much as we can all be disgusted by Israeli actions, there are many other issues for which Democrats are just 100% better on. So at worst Dems/Repubs could be perceived as the same on Israel and Gaza (I don't think that's true), but Dems are clearly better on Ukraine and Domestic policy, from protecting trans rights to preserving our democracy itself.

[-] OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Not just funding but hedging against the 7 million Jewish-Americans still sympathetic to Israel and who are also a key voting bloc for Democrats.

Actually it doesn't seem to be a good tactical move even if we forget that we're supposed to also have morals:

https://lemmy.world/post/18668755

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Interesting poll, I want to see all the data instead of it being reported second-hand. I have much respect for Hasan but he's an activist in this aspect, not a journalist. Moreover I find it interesting that both Michigan and Wisconsin were side-stepped, two swing states second only to PA in importance for Harris. GA and AZ tertiary.

Morality is a fickle beast when I know for a fact there isn't a single Gazan whose life would be better under Donald, forgetting the outright doom this spells for Ukrainians... Again, morally speaking. And that no matter what position Harris takes she'll be more open to change than the alternative.

Still I think if the polls continue to show this and shift as they have since Israel's response to October 7th then you'll continue to see a more aggressive posture from Harris. There simply is no way they're going to get ahead of the polls here until we as the activists continue to influence public opinion on this matter.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago

And unfortunately, if she publicly backs Gaza, the Israeli Mafia (AIPAC) will strangle her campaign until it collapses

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