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It's curious: most people on Lemmy fancy themselves "anti-establishment revolutionaries", yet the mere proposal of a job market that breaks away from banks and the status quo causes them to downvote you like you are asking them to join some religious cult.
No, like you're part of some tech-bro cult. Which is worse, I will point out. Rejection of the current status quo doesn't mean we want a WORSE status quo.
And we already have plenty of people in the current establishment who want to pay their employees with something other than actual money. We call those people scumbags. At least being paid in exposure isn't bad for the environment.
I will readily agree that crypto absolutists are worse than the status quo. But I will also say that there are plenty of good people working in "web3" that are genuinely focused on building alternatives for disenfranchised groups.
The problem with web3 is in some ways similar to the problems of Fediverse and commons-based R&D: the majority of people claim they want to support the original (noble) goals, but when push comes to shove they do not back their words with actions, so the good projects get eclipsed by the psychopaths that get investment and resources because they made empty promises that appeal to people's greed. This is why we end up with A16Z scam DeFi, SBF, Threads & "source available" software projects.
The problem with the fediverse is that not enough people get how it works, so they don't use it, so there's not enough content, so there's less incentive to use it. The benefits of the fediverse are that you can't exploit and ruin something for everyone if there's an alternative readily available for them to use instead, and the fediverse is BUILT on those alternatives.
The problem with web3 is it does nothing practical enough to justify its existence. The only people who found a use case for it just used it like stock shares, being something worthless that might be valuable if enough time passes. Calling it an alternative to money is absurdly naive at best, manipulative at worst.
Imagine if you had a boss who told you they would only pay you in company stock, and tried to say that it's better than being paid money. That's what this is.
As long as there is a market with enough liquidity, being paid in stock shares is not a problem. At all.
Also: stablecoins. If you live in a developed country you may think it's stupid, but go ask someone in Argentina or Venezuela if they rather get paid in DAI or Pesos.
This. This right here. I live in Iran, and crypto currencies have been a life saver for many of us. Our local currency (IRR) is getting more worthless by the second. Many people have started immediately exchanging their earnings in IRR to something, anything else, including of course, cryptocurrencies.
I don't think most people who live in first-world countries like America can see the use in cryptocurrencies as clearly as people who live in third-wirld countries, where you get paid a dollar an hour on average at local jobs, and that's IF you have a decent job to begin with.
I have provided my services to people outside my country, and I prefer to do that, exactly because they are going to pay in dollar and not in IRR. And of course, they can't do that through something like PayPal or UpWork, etc. because those services aren't available to Iranians in the first place. Crypto currencies have saved and continue to save many, many people who live in these kinds of countries, because they provide a way for them to actually improve their lives by working, and not just hardly survive in whatever situation they are in and just stay alive for a bit longer. You can't really change your life working 8 hours a day, 6 days a week, for $1 an hour. It's just not feasible.
Again, I think it's something that most people who already have ready access to these kinds of services, and who use these services without ever doing anything that makes those centralized services start questioning whether they should ban their account or not, won't really get to appreciate. Want to use PayPal? Nope! You're an Iranian, so fuck you. You can starve to death for all these kinds of services care. You might be born as the most gifted person on earth inside Iran, and yet, if services like PayPal were THE ONLY way to work non-local jobs, you would lose so so much of your life just trying to survive, instead of doing something that helps people around the world.
Cryptocurrencies, have quite literally, been a life saver for many, many people in my country. And no, they mostly weren't scammers either. Some of them, sure, of course, but let's remember that scamming isn't something that only happens with cryptocurrencies. Scamming has been a thing way, waaay before cryptocurrencies were a thing.
It's kind of like proprietary vs Free software. You won't appreciate the Free, open source alternative until the proprietary one reeeally starts getting on your nerves, and changing in a way that directly affects you. This is the exact reason behind why people who advocate free software usage seem like insane people, because again, it's not something that you appreciate, until what you've been using starts to show you why you should have cared about these kinds of things a long time ago.
You get to appreciate the alternative when the current "go-to" solution starts to show its problems. And regular fiat money, for the most part, works pretty well for most people right now, so there's no reason to care about the alternatives at this point.
With crypto you can make international transfers within a few minutes and only pay a few cents. Using a bank account it takes multiple days, and costs a few euros at least. For me that's a major use case and something I do regularly.
While crypto was a cool idea in theory, most of us have been paying attention since 2009 and can see what it's become. An untraceable black hole for investors to shove their money into, free from it being touched by us poors. Do you think it's "anti-establishment" that when I google bitcoin, the first thing that comes up is a stock market ticker? Or to fuel the climate crisis with unnecessary power consumption?
Not all crypto is Bitcoin, and not all blockchains are based on Proof of Work. Ethereum's Proof of Stake consumes less electricity than all the power used by PlayStation consoles at idle.
Cool and that was, what, seven years too late for the whole, creating thousands of tonnes of CO2 thing? For that one coin? I'm sorry but at this point I'm perfectly happy to throw the baby out with the bathwater on the whole "Web3" thing. I care very little for the irreversible harm it's caused to our planet at this point.
No, not "that one coin". The whole blockchain. Thousands of different cryptocurrencies and smart contracts are secured by it. The whole network is holding tens of billions of dollars worth of value, and it takes an estimated 8M USD worth of electricity in a whole year to secure it. There is no way that any existing financial banking system will ever be as efficient as this.
Arguing based on "how long it took to get there" is at best just bad argument based on sunk-cost fallacy and at worst moving the goalposts. If you care about "irreversible harm" from CO2, it would be a lot more productive if you wrote to your local city council to abolish parking minimum requirements than hating on a project that from the start was focused on creating a consensus system that did not require PoW.
This is just straight up disinformation. Crypto uses somewhere between 0.4%-0.9% of all electricity used yearly. 120 to 240 billion kilowatt-hours. That's more electricity than the entirety of my country of Australia. You've been duped if you believe the numbers you posted.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0959652623007308 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959652623036995 https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/09/08/fact-sheet-climate-and-energy-implications-of-crypto-assets-in-the-united-states/
Edit: Adding this quote because I think it paints a clear picture:
You are talking about "crypto", which implies that you are talking about different blockchains, including Bitcoin and all other blockchains that rely on Proof-of-Work.
My figures are specific to the Ethereum blockchain, which is used to control transactions in Ether and many other cryptocurrencies (look for "ERC20 token standard", if you care to understand), including stablecoins that have its value anchored to different "real currencies" like USD, EUR, GBP... The Ethereum blockchain uses Proof-of-Stake and does not require "burning energy" to keep the network secure.
FWIW, I'm all for banning all blockchains based on Proof of Work, or at the very least adding a prohibitively expensive tax for every transaction done by a centralized exchange. This would be more than enough to kill Bitcoin or force them to clean up their act and switch their consensus system.
I dunno man, I just don't consider Libertarians or AnCaps to be revolutionary. Sorry ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And no one with a minimum sense of morality cares about the labels or how they identify themselves. As long as their value system is not misrepresented, you can call them whatever you want.
Friend, you're the one that started this off by putting other people down for not having the same value system as you. I wasn't even going to comment in this thread...
Edit: Like I actually think OP seems to be forthright in creating a good community. They've suggested to use existing escrow services to ensure integrity. I like them. However you seem like the kind of person I was worried OP might be.
What job proposal? This is a platform or a scam, any way you look at it is in no way different from what already exists, just with 0 protection for the workers, and using monopoly money that might make your work worth 20% less every month.
You are arguing against something I did not write and throwing around typical soundbites that are false and/or not applicable to all cryptocurrency. IOW, you are responding like a reactionary. Well done!