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Kamala Harris unveils populist policy agenda, with $6,000 credit for newborns
(www.washingtonpost.com)
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So, you mean, born with debt? (On top of whatever public debt per capita is)
No. It's basically a continuation of the child tax credit that the republicans killed. It lifted half of kids out of poverty that were in poverty and it was a very very popular covid relief program.
I mean, everyone's happy when money is flowing in. But someone has to pay for this.
Also: 6k is pretty much nothing compared to the long term cost of raising the child. It really is a populist move - she's buying votes with taxpayer money
Yeah, you simply reduce your defense budget by 0.0001%
Yes, you see.. i want the taxes I pay to go to helping people. We could instead, say, stop giving as much to the DoD. We could raise taxes on corporations and close off shore loopholes.. you know, basic good governance.
I generally agree with this, but I'd rather see government spending my money on infrastructure, like roads, power plants, research ect. so everyone benefits instead of giving it away for free.
Why not both?
Society benefits from children not growing up in extreme poverty.
True, but giving money for free isn't a proper way of fighting with poverty. The proper way would be introducing reforms that make housing, healthcare and education fundamentally cheaper. That would be effective at fixing the very causes that make people impoverished
Making things cheaper doesn't help people in extreme poverty who have no money.
Giving them money does!
They have no money, because everything they need to live, is expensive!!!
Extreme poverty is caused by a lack of income, not by the cost of living.
People who have no job and no income at all, shouldn't make children they can't support - this is a horrible pathology 6k USD can't possibly solve
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, but you squandered it.
A ton of kids in poverty were not born into poverty, but their parents lost jobs or had health emergencies or parents who died. A lot of parents didn't choose to become pregnant, because birth control isn't perfect. Some kids are in extreme poverty because the parent without the job leaft due to domestic violence.
And sometimes kids end up in poverty because a natural disaster made the family homeless and they lost their job becsuse the business was also halted due to the disaster.
Blaming the parents casts a huge net and carches a lot of people who had shit come up in the 18 years between birth and adulthood.
The topic is about 6k for newborns. I was giving you benefit of the doubt, but you seem to fail to process relevant information.
These are separate cases, that should be treated accordingly. The entire discussion is about subsidizing parents of newborns. My stance is simple: Parents who can't afford child shouldn't have a child, it's basic 101 of parenthood planning. The lowering of cost of living could increase affordability of having child considerably.
The only good argument you've made here, is about imperfect birth control - this exists, but it's a rare case. There are many cases when this is a result of negligence, rather than actual failure of anti conception measures.
Losing a job isn't something uncommon. The proper solution is to find a new job. This is ugly, and some support during the hard transition may be justified, but again single 6k benefit changes absolutely nothing
I don't understand what you've said here
Yeah, that is clear.
No seriously, "carches" isn't even a word, and I can't decrypt any sense out of that sentence
It wasn’t the child’s choice to be born into poverty, however that came about. That money is to give the child a fighting chance to become a contributing member of society, regardless of its circumstances.
Investing in our children is not to fight today’s poverty, but tomorrow’s. We need to give all children a good start and the potential to develop into a healthy part of a strong society. The goal is for them to break the cycle of poverty rather than go around again
That's just an opinion, not an argument.
It literally is. Study after study proves just giving people money with no strings attached gives massive benefits for essentially no net cost.
https://college.unc.edu/2021/03/universal-basic-income/
The fact that you don't know this proves you either ignore this, or don't search anything to confirm you're correct.
Why not both? Both choices are an investment in our future, which I’m all for. It’s just a minor difference whether we’re investing in something concrete or something more squishy
I'll pay for it. Gladly. Even though I won't benefit. Ever hear of the old saying about old men planting trees whose shade they'll never sit in?
That money gets put right back into the economy. Tax breaks for wealthy people gets offshored where it won't help the economy.
You say "buying votes with taxpayer money"
I say: "Literally listening to the middle, lower, and working poor and doing what they want."
The child tax credit never should have been stopped because it lifted kids out of poverty and poverty is the number one cause of crime.
It’s not meant to help the long term cost, only the first year cost. After that, there’s the usual $2k or $3k or year or whatever it ends up being after good ones expire
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