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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/bad-advice-ukraine-then-and-now/
Neither of those say Russia was willing to agree to pre 2022 borders.
Try again.
It quite literally says that (I assume its "willing" instead of "winning"), also linking to a source.. Quote:
Cede to Russian demands on a sovereign nation they have hostily invaded.
Your source refutes your bullshit "Western pressure" argument, Russian pressure was to literally invade and try to use Ukrainian territory to leverage against Ukraine.
Your source essentially ignores that the war could have "stopped" before it started off Russia didn't choose to invade a sovereign nation specifically to spite NATO. But no, you're right I'm sure if they just stop fighting and roll over Russia certainly won't invade again and pull the same shit again.
Your idealism or stupidity is almost admirably idiotic.
Quote needed :)
I've said that the west encouraged Zelensky to fight, and the part you've linked doesn't refute it.
"They" can fight all they want, till the last person standing if they want. They are forcing other people to fight for them though.
I don't understand what this means. Who says what?
The fact you can't provide a source says that.
A source for what? That says what?
Even your own sources say they aren't being forced to fight, they get fined, imprisoned or renounce and seek asylum.
Your solutions are that of an especially dumb child that thinks every flight ends like a goddamn pokemon battle. Ain't no nurse joy out here boss, just dead children.
Oh right, because "fight or you will go to prison (where you possibly will be tortured)" is not being forced to fight... What kind of fucked up logic is that...
As for renouncing citizenship and seeking asylum - please send me an article that describes how an average Joe can do it. It's not possible.
Hold on now, your claim was that they're getting grabbed off the street and forced to fight. You offered sources, none of which say in any way that people are being grabbed off the street and forced to fight.
https://www.unhcr.org/ua/en/refugees-asylum-seekers
There's about a half dozen resources for it and aside from that your bullshit fleeing story only proves that leaving the country is possible. Russian appologism isn't a good luck pimpin.
My sources literally show people on the streets being kidnapped and forcefully put into vans... Did you open any of the articles I linked?..
As I already told you (and linked sources), it's impossible for an average Joe to renounce citizenship.
I left before the war started.
My family member left through the occupied territories, he had to lie to authorities that he had a reason to go there. So in the eyes of government he left the country illegally. Just like all the other people who leave through occupied territories or rivers/mountains. Or through giving bribes.
They show things claimed to be that, Sure. Partisans are also grabbed off the street because of the whole sabotage thing people aren't too keen on. Again, where's your first-hand account, if the percentage is so goddamn high you should have a firsthand account.
It isn't, linking a resource for finding asylum back to me doesn't actually do it say anything and "nuh uh" isn't a defense anyone but a child should be using.
So you didn't flee, you fucking moved ya dramatic bitch.
So again, people can leave by your admission. Your claim of minor risk in a literal warzone when attempting to dodge war service is astoundingly stupid.
It's like you think you're immune to the incredible violence as long as you think the rights thoughts and have a positive attitude.
Can you explain why all the evidence I've linked is not enough?
What are you talking about? I didn't link it back to you, I quoted you posting it - and replied that it is not possible to do.
I Ctrl+F my messages and didn't find myself saying that I fleed. You are the one who started saying this.
By that same logic people can leave North Korea. Is it true? Well yes, some people left North Korea, didn't they? Yet you probably wouldn't say that people are free to leave it. Then why are you saying that people can leave Ukraine?..
Because they aren't firsthand. You have videos without context. Not one single person who got grabbed is in any of those, the best you have is secondhand accounts of what people hear and then recount. You're taking those two and saying something is definitely happening and Ukraine is the devil worse so by your account then these kid killing invaders. Not possibly happening, not maybe but definitely.
We figured that out already, you mass quote and don't double couch or page break because clearly you're a psychopath. Again "nuh uh" is not an argument.
It is true, people leave though North Korea has always had a no emmigration policy. Remind me, is North Korea at war or are we intentionally picking dramatic examples. You've yet to pick that country so we can talk about how wartime governments are almost always authoritarian by necessity and why.
They are just as free as any other person you know aside from the whole having to dodge landmines, tanks, infantry, air cover, spy programs, drones.... But remind me, we people like yourself free to leave the country before the invasion of a sovereign nation? Remember your dramatic escape necessitates your answer.
Ed: there you go, you might edit all your comments but you have to be smart enough to catch the admissions as well.
I ask:
You respond:
You claim you fled, you moved you dramatic bitch.