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I actually hated Andor.. I watched it up to the Heist and it just wasn't worth it. My dad insisted it was "amazing" and to keep watching, the prison arc was okay.. I was just glad Stormtroopers showed up instead of "Generic Imperial Soldiers in Military Uniforms"
It just really felt like whoever made Andor just didn't get or even enjoy Star Wars. It's what finally made me give up on the series (Until Alcolyte won me back), I mean between that and Book of Boba Fett....
And this is coming from someone who LIKES the sequels.
The people who made it clearly loved Star Wars. They didn't only love the movies. They loved the universe. Andor is an exploration of what turns someone into a rebel. Most of Star Wars just ignores why the average person does something so they can have jedi superheros. Honestly, it's boring and overdone.
If you liked the sequels, then you're watching Star Wars for the action and not the story and the world, because they couldn't keep that straight. That's fine. You get to enjoy what you enjoy. There's plenty of Star Wars for you. There's not much like Andor, and I appreciate it all the more for it. Andor is the best Star Wars ever made for people who care about the world of Star Wars, not just the entertainment factor.
No the story of the sequels is fine, the only contradiction is that Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker tonally feel like they belong in different trilogies and it's a weird whiplash... but it's a pretty consistently Star Wars level of stupid (I mean except for that dagger, that was just stupid)
And this is another reason I hate Andor, the fanbase. Tired of having people say "Oh it's okay, you're clearly too dumb to understand Andor. Obviously the show is perfect and you're just an idiot, maybe stick with something more your speed like Spongebob eh champ?", and talk down to me because I don't like everyone's favorite show. I have never been so insulted in all my life quite like the "Oh, you're just intellectually impaired." I keep getting from Andor fans when they realize I dislike the show, and as a transgender woman living in America, that is saying something.
Like, I can and have watched "smart shows" and "slow burns" before and enjoyed them. I just specifically don't like Andor.
The story of the sequels is absolutely not fine. It's a mess. Off the top of my head, where did The Resistance's ships go after ep 7? They suddenly have just a handful of ships for 8. Where did The First Order come from and why is The Resistance still only a resistance if they won after ep 7? Shouldn't they at least be a major power? Don't they have a large government set up that should be spanning many star systems? How did The First Order kill it will one shot of the new Death Star (blanking on the name, but you know what I mean). Why is it said that Ray's parents are nobody, then it turns out that Palpatine is her father? There's so many issues. I could go on...
I'm not saying you're too dumb to understand anything. I fully suspect you're capable of understanding Andor and seeing the problems with the sequels. You're creating a strawman that I didn't say. I suspect that you're just not interested in this though.
That's fine, but that's not an objective statement, it's an opinion. It's not an opinion that the sequels are poorly written, as I pointed out objective issues with them earlier. It is an opinion whether I'm fine with that or not or if I like Andor or not. It's not a bad show just because someone doesn't like it. That's expected. It's well written though.
Literally most of that can also be applied to Episode IV.. For that which cannot
Starkiller base didn't just blow up one planet, it blew up SEVERAL planets with SEVERAL figureheads... Asking why the Rebel Alliance's Government doesn't exist anymore is like asking why the American Government is limited to just the Enclave in Fallout. BIG FUCKING NUKE!
as for Sidious being her dad, blame the fanboys who REALLY wanted her to be Luke's kid that complained about the "nobody" reveal in Last Jedi
The sequels aren't perfect, but the haters shat on the prequels too... Heck Star Wars fans hate Star Wars movies so much that the only film that's safe to "like" in a group of Star Wars fans in A New Hope, and even then it better not be any of the Special Editions.
No, it really can't. There are a handful of continuity errors, but not many. There are also very few created within the other two trilogies. The sequels have so many contradictions between each movie, sometimes within the same movie even. It was rushed with two directors competing against each other. Not something written by one director over time.
It blew up several planets in one star system. You have to keep in mind we're talking about galactic powers here. It's like blowing up Washington DC and then the entire US doesn't exist anymore. To use your Fallout example, there are many power who claim inheritance to America, and that's after an entire nuclear war wiping out all civilization and hundreds of years later. There should still be many star systems under their control, with hundreds of planets, billions or trillions (or more) citizens, and several fleets of ships patrolling around. However, there's literally one fleet left. How? Even if every planet was destroyed there should still be many fleets that were out and about.
I can only blame the writers, directors, and Disney. It's their choice to ruin the project because fans asked for something. That's how we got ep 7 basically. It's just the same thing we've already watched again because they wanted boring generic action and couldn't make something new and creative. The new bits suck, for the reasons I've stated and many more.
They did hate on the prequels. That's true. It wasn't for poor writing or world building though. It was for subjective reasons, like Jar-Jar being annoying (OK, maybe this one is so bad to be objective), or the opening trade negotiations scene being boring.
As for fans hating every movie, yeah. That's what you get when you have a large audience. You get a diversity of opinion. Some people care about how good the writing is, some the world-building, some how well told the story is, some the action, etc. None of the opinions are wrong. There's stuff to like and hate in every movie.
The sequels are objectively poorly written though. There's so many holes and also a ton of things that just don't make sense if you consider them for a minute. (The sith knife Rey finds with the Death Star map would require standing in a specific spot, and she just happens to end up there? No one thought about that for more than five seconds when writing it.) You can still enjoy them. There are large objective reasons why many hate them though. Before the Star Wars universe felt consistent. After it does not. There was always The Force to explain away minor things, but the sequels have mechanical issues that it can't fill.
Edit: This was far too long...
I think most people who enjoyed it (including myself) did so because it's not like most other star wars. It tells a more down to earth story without larger than life heroes
I mean I guess I can respect people who wanted something different, but it was too different. The earlier episodes seem to legitimately be ashamed of wanting anything to do with Star Wars and tried to avoid familiar imagery... That and again, the show is just boring.
Like why did we spend two episodes getting to know this resistance force if they're all just going to die in the Heist and never be mentioned again? I mean I get it, they're not heroes they're just normal people desperate to fight back against a corrupt system, but I'd appreciate that more if they were in anyway likable... They're not as they mostly just spend the whole of their screen time whining that Andor "isn't one of the cool kids" as if they've never heard the phrase "Many hands make light work" before.
Like I hated this cast so much that when they were doing their drills and a tie fighter flew over head, I was just BEGGING for it to kill them... Sadly when the heist finally does happen, I feel nothing because the past two episodes were nothing but these resistance guys screaming at each other like they're the disposable teenagers in an old horror movie and the opening of this episode was just 15 minutes of uninterrupted marching... I mean, I don't mind building to something, but there's building to something and stalling to meet a run-time; This felt like the latter
And I have no idea why they even bothered introducing the Kyber Crystal if nothing was going to really be done with it... It just felt like they needed to name drop the kyber crystal to remind you those exist...
Every reason why I DESPISE Andor can be summed up with "The Heist Arc", the Prison Arc was better, but... It's way too easy to suffer burnout while watching this show and by that point I was just happy that it at least felt like Star Wars. If I saw the Prison Arc in a vacuum I'd have loved it (Especially after how badly Book of Boba Fett just completely shit the bed), but on the heels of that Heist Arc my patience had been worn way too thin.
I bet you liked the Last Jedi.
I'm sorry, that was uncalled for abuse.
I didn't the first time, but on the second viewing I was like "okay, I get it, that makes sense", it's easily my least favorite of the three though, but not my least favorite film overall (that would be Attack of the Clones)
Not enough Shran for me.