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A false flag operation using radioactive warheads is reportedly aimed at spent nuclear fuel

Ukrainian forces have begun preparations to target nuclear waste storage sites at a Russian power plant with radioactive warheads and to then blame Moscow, according to intelligence received by Russia.

“Sources on the other side report that the [Ukrainians] are preparing a nuclear false flag – an explosion of a dirty atomic bomb,” military journalist Marat Khairullin said Friday on his Telegram channel. “They plan to strike the storage sites of spent nuclear fuel of a nuclear power plant.”

The special warheads intended for the attack have already been delivered to the Vostochny Mining and Processing plant in Zhovti Vody, in Ukraine’s Dnepropetrovsk Region, according to Khairullin.

As possible targets of the attack, Khairullin indicated either the Zaporozhye NPP in Energodar or the Kursk NPP in Kurchatov, noting that the Ukrainian government and its Western backers are “desperate and willing to try anything.”

A security official in the Russian Military Administration of Kharkov Region corroborated Khairullin’s claim to RIA Novosti on Friday. The attack is intended to use radioactive warheads to target spent fuel storage sites at a nuclear power plant, and the ammunition has already been delivered to Zhovti Vody.

Kiev’s intention is to accuse Moscow of a false flag so it could justify using nuclear weapons against Ukraine, the security official said. The Ukrainian government has received orders from its Western backers to “escalate as much as possible,” he added.

According to the security official, the intelligence came from Ukrainian prisoners of war.

Sergey Lebedev, introduced as leader of the Nikolaev Region underground, who said the planned attack would be carried out with NATO weapons, with the consent of the West.

Lebedev pointed out that a large number of Western journalists have already arrived in the Sumy Region near Kursk, as well as the Ukrainian-controlled part of Zaporozhye, suggesting that this is part of Kiev’s preparations for the nuclear false flag.

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[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 months ago

Listen, your entire argument is fundamentally flawed from the get go. You are looking at nukes as if they only kill people. Your analysis does nothing to account for infrastructural damage. Primarily energy and communications. China wouldn't even need 100 nukes to land to wipe out 80% of the US population. They could do it with a dozen or so.

The energy grid of the US is so dilapidated that the destruction of 9 key substations would wipe out power for almost the entire country. Estimates that it would be 18 months before power was restored. In that time is estimated 80% of the population would die. The country would be in absolute chaos. They couldn't fight a war because the population would be tearing itself apart just trying to survive. Most people couldn't even cook a meal without electricity. Houses, stoves, etc. are designed for it anymore. Water treatment, refrigeration, etc. without power then manufacturing goes out the window.

Even if they didn't hit those exact substations, a couple hundred nukes would still do so much damage to the grid that it would take years to begin restoring electricity to the country in any reasonable level. When the country fall apart that bad the military itself will fall apart. Cut off supply to every ship and base outside of the US landmass and see how long they hold up. See if the USs vassal states stay loyal when the home country is literally ripping itself to pieces for their neighbors canned food.

You obsession with nuclear deterrents being solely about how many people die in the initial blasts has no basis on reality. People are not just little NPCs standing around waiting to be ordered to do a thing. They need infrastructure and resources to survive.

[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml -2 points 3 months ago

I think you're missing the point. Obviously people aren't NPC's and need resources, but having a huge arsenal of ready nuclear weapons is way more intimidating for the imperialists than a small group of 10.

Do you have some reading about those 9 key substations?

[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304020104579433670284061220

https://spectrum.ieee.org/attack-on-nine-substations-could-take-down-us-grid

Where in my comment did I say they needed to reduce their nuclear arsenal, or only have 10? I simply said they don't need as many as this person is claiming they need. That their argument is fundamentally flawed because they are looking at nuclear deterrents as only the direct impact to immediate population size. That if you can't turn the whole of the US into glass it somehow means you don't have enough nukes to defeat them. When, in fact, the ramifications of nuclear warheads is much greater then just immediate dead bodies. If you destroy enough infrastructure to cause 80% of the population to be gone in less than 2 years you have effectively destroyed that country. Especially a country like the US that can barely rebuild its infrastructure under its current situation. Let alone one in which it's been hit with multiple nuclear warheads.

[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 months ago

I meant as a counterexample or a point of phrase, I'm aware that your argument wasn't to reduce China's nuclear arsenal, I was speaking to the character of your argument by a related hypothetical.

I'm also aware of the extreme ramifications of nuclear weapons, but my point was that when it comes to psychopaths like the bourgeoisie, what scares them is a force that hits them where it hurts that they understand.

In the same way that someone may be an evil monster that wants to wantonly murder people, the threat and efficacy of a socialist police force prevents them.

[-] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is how you get useless arms races that suck up resources and manpower that could be used to support the population and economy.

[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

How in the fuck is building up a method of attack and deterrence useless? I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm genuinely asking. When the very existence of human civilization, humanity itself, life on Earth, the biosphere, and practically everything humanity knows and loves is at stake, then fundamentally no price is too high.

I wager that China is large enough (as in population wise, labor-force wise, financially, natural resource-rich, and geopolitically allied with and has arguably the best and largest most skillfully-pat down scientists, technicians, and supply chains on Earth to accomplish this, and is almost definitely better able to than the Soviet Union was) take care of it's people's population and economy, build socialism, and produce en masse nuclear weapons.

Obviously this shouldn't be the main focus, and no plan for socialism, humanity or the future should hinge on a single plan, and preparing for war, especially nuclear conflict, is always a soul-wrenching experience, and no one hopes that it should come down to it, but how you anyone honestly say that this isn't a worthwhile possibility or a last resort?

The cold calculus of war is a harsh mistress, but avoiding all of this is stupid and wrong. It's incredibly unfair that China and the global south have to put this much forethought and agonizing and picking our battles, and it's bullshit and evil how badly the odds are stacked against us, but I feel that if socialist/anti-imperialist states don't take all of this into account, then we have already lost. We have a responsibility, even if it's unfair and dangerous and cruel, to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

I wager that it would cost more resources, willpower, money, time, and suffering if more nuclear weapons aren't built or if we collectively wait until we have no other option, and then it will be too late.

You have a slight point in regards to not exactly going tit for tat against the imperialists and the west, and not losing sight of the bigger picture, but that isn't an excuse to not do anything, especially when billions of souls and life on Earth are in danger.

You really think the U.S., Britain, France, NATO, and their ilk, aren't just all itching to obliterate all of humanity if the power of the capitalists is even slightly threatened in the coming years and decades?

I take no relish in saying any of this, I am unfortunately extremely sober, and this shit is fucking scary and inhumane, that we are all put in.

I'm sure you've heard the phrase, "the only way to win, is not to play?"

In this case, a better argument is "if the Global South collectively does nothing, then we almost automatically lose, so we have no choice but to play"

Of course the west wants the Global South to agonize over this, because the west are inhumane evil monsters. Having a conscience is extremely difficult, in regards to war. If China or the rest of humanity bellyaches and overly worries about right or wrong about whether or not to build up an arsenal of nuclear weapons, then the west has already one before the conflict has begun. The only way to win is to embrace the danger carefully and intelligently, lest all of our efforts are for nothing.

If I was an advisor or somehow had Xi Jinping's ear, I would explain all of this. China is already in efforts to massively scale up it's building/acquisition of nuclear weapons, to get at least several hundred more, which is a good start, but I think that can or should be kicked already into overdrive.

I'm open to discussion and I'm not saying I'm 100 percent right or immovable, and I don't presume to know more than Xi or the CPC or the Global South.

Edit: Wow, stepped on some toes.

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