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Oh yes. That’s quite clear.
Where's the lie, though? This is 100% accurate.
Did I say there was a lie?
Is there a an "abandon Trump campaign", though? I'm not insinuating that Biden isn't gargling Netanyahu's balls. I'm insinuating that Stein is a willing spoiler candidate.
You know, Democrats should try appealing to anti-war voters instead of accusing them of having hidden agendas.
I think Democrats forget this, but the Democrats need the votes of independent voters to win. Appeal to them. Don’t insult them.
I remember when Hillary accused Tulsi Gabbard (who built her brand on being anti-war) of being a Russian agent. How well did that go for Hillary?
Even if Gabbard was a Russian agent, it does not inspire anti-war voters when you say that the only anti-war candidates are foreign agents. (I’d be like “well I guess I’m voting for the Russian then”.)
Did… you just reply to yourself?
As for stein….
She wants to provide no support for Ukraine, and for the US to leave nato. Which are the two things Putin wants the US to do. If she’s not willingly a Russian agent, she’s still very pro-Russia.
I mean, here’s her own words given after the 2014 Crimea invasion:
First off, while Obama definitely offered verbal support to the people of Ukraine, we certainly didn’t incite the euromaidan revolution (which was sparked by Yanukovych ignoring parliament and moving closer to Russia instead of Europe- like the people wanted.) no, the five billion we spent in aid wasn’t to incite euromaidan- it was development assistance for ex-soviet states, spent over 20 years and mostly approved before Obama was ever president.
Which brings us to how she’s practically reading off Russian propaganda. Remember how Putin’s “special military action” was to “eliminate nazis”? They’ve been using that one for a long time.
If the only anti-genocide candidate in this election is a Russian agent, then I guess I’m voting for the Russian.
Guess that makes you pro genocide then, because in this world, ethics are messy, and not getting involved means allowing Russia to genocide Ukrainians.
I can’t believe you would look at Ukraine, which has been stockpiling weapons for 10 years (provided by every Western power), which has membership in the United Nations, which gets nothing but sympathetic coverage in the Western media (because they’re white), and say “this is just like Gaza”.
Did I say it was just like gaza? no.
I did say it was a genocidal campaign, though.
By the way, this war started in 2014, with the invasion and annexation of Crimea. So, naturally they've been seeking weapons for that long.
But it’s not. Russia isn’t targeting civilians.
Sure. I believe you. Totally.
You mean, aside from the systematic attack on healthcare, and their Schools, and other , Civilian, infrastructure.
Including blowing up a hydro electric damn and flooding an entire region.
oh, and lets just ignore the cultural genocide of abducting children
As tragic as the situation in Ukraine is, you can’t just call everything genocide. That’s a disservice to the victims of actual genocide.
Here’s some information about genocide:
https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the-holocaust-and-genocides/what-is-genocide/the-ten-stages-of-genocide/
Genocide is defined, under international treaty- specifically, the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide , aka, the Geneva Convention.
Specifically, Article 2 defines genocide as:
Care to explain how 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 aren't literally all being ticked off by Russian forces in Ukraine? any one of those actions is sufficient.
Even according to your own source... Russia is ticking most of those stages- 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9. 10. the only one (so far as I know,) not being actively engaged in is "symbolization" and I would suggest that's not necessary for a genocide. at least not in a literal "force them to wear symbols of their oppression" level of symbolization.
and you're also participating in #10, too.
That’s enough. We’re done here.
Of course, people in this sub don’t believe that independent voters exist. You’re either “vote blue no matter who”, or you’re a Russian agent.
You uh, forgot to change accounts when replying to yourself.
I was adding to my previous thought.
Preach!
She's not though.