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[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

Literally any time I bring up veganism and climate change, I have ten people jumping my neck screaming "but the corporations!". Like, it's so easy to eat vegan and it's cheaper. I don't get people

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

So the thing people miss about this one is people who live out of the reduced/sale section. While at full price a vegan diet is cheaper (though requires a bit more prep time, not much more though microwave steamers are a miracle) Meat is much more calorie dense and can end up being as much as 80-90% off just before it turns, vegetables on the other hand never go on sale. In this circumstance meat is cheaper.

More regionally some of the foods in a vegan diet that make up for protein can be more expensive than you might be used to. Sure beans are universally cheap and there's some nice varieties (I like kidney and butter beans a lot) but chickpeas, nuts and really all of the non-bean alternatives are actually pretty expensive in some places (e.g. where I live).

That said I admit to being one of these people who could maybe drop meat (I only get it when its on sale/reduction at this point) but couldn't live without cheese and eggs. iirc chickens are the lowest carbon livestock but I await a good cheese alternative or non-dairy cheese.

[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

I'm not sure what the situation is like wherever you live, but these past recent years there's been a lot of progress made when it comes to vegan cheeses and egg substitutes. The cheese I'm getting is also quite affordable at Lidl (1,20€ maybe for 150g), eggs can be substituted with tofu or egg mix you just mix with water and spices, though I don't remember how much those cost.

Also strange, I would have expected chickpeas to cost next to nothing anywhere, really. A 265g can (400g including water) costs like 70 cents maybe

[-] rekorse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Calorie dense isnt an inherently positive feature. Its what has led to high weights in america to begin with. Calorie dense just means more calories in your belly before you feel full. Are you underweight and need to pack in as much as you can when you are able to eat?

I wouldnt recommend eating that way while overweight.

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 months ago

thing is that you're completely ignoring how culturally important meat is to a lot of people, and how much easier it is to cook a very tasty and nutritious meal with meat.

sure, rice and beans is cheaper, but you need to eat other things too and to most people "rice and beans" sounds like abject misery.

You can't just say "go vegan" as if that's just a switch you flip, the easy vegan alternatives are expensive and the cheap ones aren't easy.
If you want people to go vegan, start producing cheap and easy vegan food that is indistinguishable from non-vegan stuff, we have a small amount of such products here and it's helped me eat less meat.

[-] poVoq@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 months ago

Even if you are right that going 100% vegan is difficult for most people, going 95% vegan is not, and the impact on the climate would be nearly the same.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee -2 points 3 months ago

Not to mention it's only barely more sustainable than Breatharianism unless you're taking a ton of supplements.

[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

I've been a vegan for 18 years. I'm a little chubby because I can't afford the gym lately but I haven't taken supplements in 10+ years. Between cultured vegan yogurt, nutritional yeast, and seaweed it's not really necessary anymore.

[-] v4ld1z@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

You literally do not need vegan meat substitutes. And if you do want or need them, there are plenty alternatives that cost pretty much the same. I can only speak for Germany, but eating meat would be plenty more expensive. Not even touching on vegetables that are super cheap compared to meat, and are way more nutritious, and don't clog up your arteries

[-] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 months ago

congratulations on literally just ignoring what i wrote and instead just preaching about your own superiority!

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