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Fox News did not air a second of the speeches from alienated GOP leaders and former Trump officials who endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris at this week’s Democratic National Convention.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago
[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago

A reminder that between now and November 6, everyone saying "Don't Vote for Kamala", is actually saying "Vote for Trump". Especially when they're saying it in the comments for an article about fascists being fascist.

There are only two candidates that we can vote for with a chance of winning this year. There are no serious third party candidates to campaign for. While I wish this wasn't the case, not "voting for the lesser evil" either means voting for the greater evil, or not voting at all.

If you actually want to avoid full-blown Fascism in America, stop fucking carrying water for Trump every chance you get.

[-] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 months ago

If you actually want to avoid full-blown Fascism in America

The world empire ruling over humanity with an iron fist, who's founding act was the liquidation of an entire continents worth of people is somehow not "full blown fascist" yet.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

A reminder that between now and November 6, everyone saying “Don’t Vote for Kamala”, is actually saying “Vote for Trump”.

Can you explain in detail why there are only two viable political parties?

[-] Brown5500@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Troll bait taken...

Because that's the way it's been since 1852. It was the same way before 1852 but at least one of the parties had a different name. The system would need a structural change (like ranked choice voting) to enable a viable 3rd party to exist.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Yup, that makes perfect sense when you put it like that. This is precisely how Germany avoided fascism in 1930s, they just voted for the lesser evil and everything worked out great.

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 months ago

It's funny how no matter how your sarcasm is interpreted, it's still factually wrong.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

It's funny how you expose yourself as being historically illiterate. German nazis never won more than 37% of the vote while there were still democratic elections in place. First chapter here discusses the rise of fascists in Italy and nazis in Germany. Let's take a look at what actually happened.

After World War I, Italy had settled into a pattern of parliamen­tary democracy. The low pay scales were improving, and the trains were already running on time. But the capitalist economy was in a postwar recession. Investments stagnated, heavy industry operated far below capacity, and corporate profits and agribusiness exports were declining.

To maintain profit levels, the large landowners and industrialists would have to slash wages and raise prices. The state in turn would have to provide them with massive subsidies and tax exemptions. To finance this corporate welfarism, the populace would have to be taxed more heavily, and social services and welfare expenditures would have to be drastically cut - measures that might sound familiar to us today. But the government was not completely free to pursue this course. By 1921 , many Italian workers and peasants were unionized and had their own political organizations. With demonstrations, strikes, boy­cotts, factory takeovers, and the forceable occupation of farmlands, they had won the right to organize, along with concessions in wages and work conditions.

To impose a full measure of austerity upon workers and peasants, the ruling economic interests would have to abolish the democratic rights that helped the masses defend their modest living standards. The solution was to smash their unions, political organizations, and civil liberties. Industrialists and big landowners wanted someone at the helm who could break the power of organized workers and farm laborers and impose a stern order on the masses. For this task Benito Mussolini, armed with his gangs of Blackshirts, seemed the likely candidate.

In 1922, the Federazione Industriale, composed of the leaders of industry, along with representatives from the banking and agribusi­ness associations, met with Mussolini to plan the "March on Rome," contributing 20 million lire to the undertaking. With the additional backing of Italy's top military officers and police chiefs, the fascist "revolution"- really a coup d'etat - took place.

In Germany, a similar pattern of complicity between fascists and capitalists emerged. German workers and farm laborers had won the right to unionize, the eight-hour day, and unemployment insurance. But to revive profit levels, heavy industry and big finance wanted wage cuts for their workers and massive state subsidies and tax cuts for themselves.

During the 1920s, the Nazi Sturmabteilung or SA, the brown­ shirted storm troopers, subsidized by business, were used mostly as an antilabor paramilitary force whose function was to terrorize workers and farm laborers. By 1930, most of the tycoons had con­cluded that the Weimar Republic no longer served their needs and was too accommodating to the working class. They greatly increased their subsidies to Hitler, propelling the Nazi party onto the national stage. Business tycoons supplied the Nazis with gener­ous funds for fleets of motor cars and loudspeakers to saturate the cities and villages of Germany, along with funds for Nazi party organizations, youth groups, and paramilitary forces. In the July 1932 campaign, Hitler had sufficient funds to fly to fifty cities in the last two weeks alone.

In that same campaign the Nazis received 37.3 percent of the vote, the highest they ever won in a democratic national election. They never had a majority of the people on their side. To the extent that they had any kind of reliable base, it generally was among the more affluent members of society. In addition, elements of the petty bour­geoisie and many lumpenproletariats served as strong-arm party thugs, organized into the SA storm troopers. But the great majority of the organized working class supported the Communists or Social Democrats to the very end.

In the December 1932 election, three candidates ran for president: the conservative incumbent Field Marshal von Hindenburg, the Nazi candidate Adolph Hitler, and the Communist party candidate Ernst Thaelmann. In his campaign, Thaelmann argued that a vote for Hindenburg amounted to a vote for Hitler and that Hitler would lead Germany into war. The bourgeois press, including the Social Democrats, denounced this view as "Moscow inspired." Hindenburg was re-elected while the Nazis dropped approximately two million votes in the Reichstag election as compared to their peak of over 13.7 million.

True to form, the Social Democrat leaders refused the Communist party's proposal to form an eleventh-hour coalition against Nazism. As in many other countries past and present, so in Germany, the Social Democrats would sooner ally themselves with the reactionary Right than make common cause with the Reds. Meanwhile a number of right-wing parties coalesced behind the Nazis and in January 1933, just weeks after the election, Hindenburg invited Hitler to become chancellor.

French liberals siding with NR against the NPF is a perfect modern example of history repeating as well.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago

So what you're saying is that you know embarrassingly little about what happened in the March 1933 German federal election...

Spoiler: Hitler won because the fascists slaughtered their political enemies and seized power undemocratically.

If you think that you can avoid something like this by "not voting for the lesser evil", I don't know what to tell you. Until I have reason to believe that the election will be overthrown, I'll be cautiously looking for warning signs (there are some already), and I will vote for the party that isn't openly and proudly spewing Fascism.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 months ago

Amazing counterpoint you've mustered there. Maybe read my follow up comment before making a clown of yourself?

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca -4 points 2 months ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago
[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Low effort arguments deserve low effort responses

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

Hilarious of you to refer to the basic reality of the situation as a "low effort argument".

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago
[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

you're like a living allegory for libs sleeping through their country descending into open fascism

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