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Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; 'The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,' says army spokesperson Hagari

Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages' location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.

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[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm telling you that if, say, Canada came and occupied my home town, forced everyone out, and killed my family, that I'd definitely be an anti Canadian terrorist.

Addition: How is this being downvoted. Violence begets terrorists. Have we learned nothing from historical US intervention in the middle east? This is Israel's "War on Terror" and its going to end the same way. Tons of dead brown people and many many more terrorists.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

Hey Buddy, there'd no need to go there, pal. We're not going to do that unless there's a Tim's in your town friend.

PS, please don't read up about our history in WWI, we're just the funny folks with goofy red uniforms and horses...

PPS, please don't read up about the actual RCMP.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

You'll be disappointed. Tim's is no good any more.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Oh yeah, the coffee and donuts are absolute shit - the scones are kinda alright though.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

That isn't Hamas though. Their leadership lives it up in Bahrain I think and has a dictatorship over Gaza. Before the pandemic there was a protest by the Palestinians and it was brutally oppressed. Hamas hasn't held elections in a long time.

Don't confuse Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians seeking revenge with Hamas.

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

I'm saying when you have no outlet for justice, you will side with whatever is the next best option. It's what all these harm reductionists say here in the states about voting.

You side with the best of two options, and hamas, even if just slightly, is better for Palestinians than Israel.

I'd be a lot easier to just objectively say "fuck Hamas", if Israel wasn't being their #1 recruitment officer by making life in Palestine and the West Bank hell.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Oh I don't disagree there. I agree with pretty much everything you've said here actually. I was just saying that Hamas isn't some pure hearted rebellion group. But I do think they are the lesser evil.

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah I wish more people could have that level of nuance. Hamas suck, agreed, Israel really is fueling them. Imagine how different this would look of Israel stood with the world after October 7th and were peaceful. Suddenly Hamas would have been public enemy #1.

But Israel jumped the shark and used it instead as a pretext for ethnic cleansing.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 points 2 months ago

Their leadership lives it up in Bahrain I think and has a dictatorship over Gaza

They have leadership in and out of Gaza. Which is so obvious I don't understand why Westerners like to use it as a point against Hamas. The political leadership of Hamas needs to be able to negotiate with Israel and third parties, and when was the last time Netanyahu went to Gaza to negotiate?

Exactly.

Also Hamas is both a dictatorship and a group of freedom fighters. Fighting oppression is a good act on its own, but it doesn't need to be done by good people.

[-] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Fighting oppression is a good act on its own, but it doesn’t need to be done by good people.

Well said. I just like to differentiate between Hamas itself and the Palestinians freedom fighters, because there is a difference. At the end of the day though, maybe it isn't a distinction that matters a whole lot right now.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca -3 points 2 months ago

You would be a freedom fighter going for liberation though.

Hampshire is not attempting to liberate the Palestinian people.

That's what you are failing to realize.

[-] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A person with no options is going to choose the better of two evils. Hamas wants to rule over them. Israel wants to wipe them off the map.

Its always the same people that advocate for harm reduction with our votes that say stuff like this.

The only option here is for one of the two side to be better, and I feel it's incumbent on Israel as long as they are recieving our weapons.

That's the only reason any of us care over here in the US, frankly, is that we are suddenly all morally culpable. In the hypothetical Candian invasion circumstance, I would absolutely side with "Not Canada" if given an option.

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