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You have to engage with the system to change it. As we have throughout history. We didn't get women's suffrage via 3rd parties. Blacks didn't get the right to vote by organizing as a 3rd party. Third parties didn't give us the new deal. The irony is that you refuse to understand that. You want to end first past the post there's 2 options. Neither of which involve 3rd parties. The first is using one of the major parties to pass voting reform. The other violent revolution.
You speak as if the system handed us progress on a silver platter, as if women, Black folks, and workers didn’t have to spill their blood and sweat in the streets, fighting tooth and nail against the very powers you claim we should trust.
Third parties may not have given us all the wins we need, but they pushed the conversation, forced the hand of the establishment.
And if you think true change can only come from within the duopoly or through violent revolution, you're blind to the reality that the system you're defending is rigged to keep the people in perpetual chains.
Quote where I said that. It doesn't exist. Because it's a strawman argument. And a weak one at that. Regardless of the struggles leading up to it. It was always one of the major parties that put it over the finish line. And of those struggles. None of them involved candidates for president from 3rd parties. Because they've always been irrelevant for nation wide elections.
This is an argument for a topic we weren't discussing. A deflection. Link any significant change directly to a losing 3rd party presidential candidate. With evidence, logic and reason. You can't. Because they've been irrelevant for 250 years.
I don't think that. It's what has happened. It's a statement of fact. Not an opinion. And ironically, people like yourself are a significant part of how they keep the system rigged. Incapable of focusing, or accepting the realities of situations. Or showing solidarity with those fighting to actually change things. Instead tilting at windmills quixotically.
I'm still voting third party.
And the oligarchs thank you
Why would they thank me? I'm not one of the people in the article, nor I did I write the article.
Because you're unwillingness to show solidarity with your fellow lefties in national elections like the presidential. Help me the victories of their pet fascists all that more certain.
Again vote for whomever you like. Or don't vote at all. As an anarchist I don't necessarily care. Your problem is the false morality you try to beat everyone over the head with selfishly. No one hates you. They simply hate the ACT you do. As I said to mozz earlier. You have a lot of passion and energy which is not a bad thing. You just lack understanding and focus. If you could simply swap your need to performatively be the victim with those you'd be set.
I am.
You seem to care. And I have no morality. People are yelling about my choice, and I tell them that I'm still doing what I want to. I've ALWAYS said that I respect and support their right to disagree and vote for whoever they want. I've said it in multiple posts. How is that "false morality"?
Care enough to address the misrepresentations and misunderstandings your spamming everywhere? Yes. Care about who you vote for? No.
If you stopped wildly editorializing everything you're spamming you would get a lot less pushback. That and virtue signaling against some imaginary duopoly you've made up. Neither the Democrats or Republicans are a monolith unto themselves. And both of them are products themselves of a flawed system. And not some Machiavellian duopoly to be raged against ineffectually. That's where the false morality gets involved.
Funny you say that! Because I cut back on my replies I was just hearing from someone TODAY, saying that by me not replying or limiting my replies, means I am not participating in this community good faith, and make myself seem suspicious. LMAO
You two should chat with each other and figure out what's best for the community!
I posted an article that's already widely available on a much bigger platform than Lemmy. I didn’t write it or create the content. It's already out there for anyone to see, so all I did was share it here for discussion. If you disagree with the article itself, that's fine, but calling for it to be censored or accusing me of pushing an agenda simply because it's not what you want to read is misguided and lazy. Open debate requires different perspectives, not shutting down content you don't like.
I guess a lot of others refuse to understand that too. Becaues I am not the only one voting third party.
And democrats are so scared of that fact, they are trying to keep third-party candidates off the ballot.
The third parties herein are deliberate spoilers for the Republicans. Why do you think west still running despite being on only 12 states ballots. Fucking Jill literally goes to events with Putin.
It's laughable how desperate you are to defend the duopoly's stranglehold on our democracy. West and Stein are not the problem—it's the system that keeps voices like theirs marginalized.
Your attempt to paint them as pawns for Republicans is just another tactic to silence those who dare to challenge the status quo. If you're so sure they're irrelevant, why are you so worked up?
Maybe because deep down, you know their message is a threat to the complacency you defend.
I'm actually for ranked choice, instant runoff, etc. I would like to be able to vote for a non-mainstream candidate in plenty of cases. I am just not confused about how voting actually works today. West and Stein aren't any more confused about how voting works than I am they are aware that the only possible effect they can have is to help Trump in 2024.
Well I am not voting for West or Stein. So those are issues you would have to bring up with them directly.
If you truly support ranked choice voting and breaking the duopoly, then you should understand that the fight starts with challenging the status quo, even if it’s uncomfortable.
West and Stein know the system is rigged against them, but that doesn’t mean they should sit back and let it continue unchallenged.