If you think the situation before the 19th amendment was ratified was 'men could vote and women couldn't', you're carrying around an elementary school level understanding of that history.

There were demographics of men who still weren't allowed to vote after the 19th, who the suffragettes gave zero shits about enabling.

This narrative of 'feminism fights for men's issues too' needs to die. It has never been true on any significant scale, and this rhetoric only started as a means to devalue and justify attacking movements that do seek to address misandry and injustices with primarily/exclusively male victims.

What I’m saying is that men can critique the harms feminism has caused without being misogynist.

What I’m saying is just what I said, that men need a movement similar to feminism that advocates for the issues facing men and boys (in much the same way) that the feminist movement which has advocated (and accomplished some very tangible and positive change regarding) issues facing women and girls. (Edited for clarity)

Feminism is not the answer for the issues facing men and boys. So in that sense, it is kind of an us versus them.

But in much the same sense that equality seems like something is being taken away when you are the oppressor, it can feel much the same way to feminists when they are told that feminism is not the answer to issues facing men and boys.

Equity and equality really are a give and take, and life isn’t always fair. But we can remove systems of oppression for all, and we can work on this together where our issues intersect. But feminism can not speak for the issues facing men and boys, and as the only elephant in the room, it is definitely going to feel like something is being taken away when men and boys and their advocates begin to take steps toward solutions that will help them and their families (which also includes women and girls, so in that sense, advocates for issues facing men and boys also address issues facing women and girls).

This is an article about young men.

But yes, if feminism changed our classrooms and our dialogues in such a way that young woman are now able to achieve in way that they were not even allowed to before, to the detriment of young boys, then yes. This is feminisms fault especially as a group that claims to advocate for equality. Especially as a group that claims to also be fighting to help men and young boys out of the patriarchy.

Yes, feminism can be critiqued. If it has failed our men and young boys, it has also failed our women and young girls.

Even people in this thread have said that feminism fights for men as well. You can’t say that feminism fights for men until someone says the men and boys have been let down and then all of a sudden feminism is not fighting for the men.

Otherwise feminism is an ethereal veil of bullshit.

You’re either fighting for equality and equity or you’re fighting for superiority and some weird idea of revenge.

We need to find solutions that help both our boys and our girls succeed in an equitable environment.

If you’re saying well, we removed patriarchy it’s not our fault the boys are failing. I find that morally repugnant and an example of harm caused by feminism.

Thank you. You have made my point 100 percent.

You will not be able to fem splain that you know more about issues facing men and boys than men. Now is the time for you to sit down and listen.

Sigh. There was a moment when I first joined lemmy that I was impressed how liberal of a space it was. And then I wandered into the comments of posts concerning gender. Fuucking depressing. Really, people would benefit from a gender studies class, or even anthropology or family and society, but for some everything is an attack and I doubt they'll listen.

When legislation 'threatens' to make shared custody the default (re: neither parent is unfit, and both want custody) instead of maternal, feminists fight it. NOW put out press releases saying that the only two reasons a man would ever fight for custody is 1) they're abusing the mother and want to retain access to her 2) they're a deadbeat trying to avoid child support payments. Men are so dehumanized in the feminist mind that the very notion that a man actually wants to raise his child does not even register as a possibility to them.

When lifetime alimony (specifically alimony that never expires) is challenged, feminists fight to keep it.

When men significantly outnumbered women in college (though only because they got free college via the GI Bill after being forcibly conscripted into the military, something women were never subjected to--in the early 1900s, the rate of men and women in college was the same ~9%), feminists were outraged, and countless programs/grants/incentives were created to fix this 'injustice'. But presently, when women significantly outnumber men in college, feminists magically stopped giving a shit about sex disparity in universities.

When Erin Pizzey helped create domestic violence shelters for female victims of male abusers, she was a heroine to feminists. When she realized there are also male victims of female abusers, and wanted there to be shelters for them as well, she became 'the enemy' in their eyes, with not only censorship attempts by feminists, but her dog was fucking shot, on her property, on Christmas Eve that year.

Feminists point to a stat showing that 11% of journalists killed are women, to put out a "stop targeting women journalists" message. Similar happened with 1 of 4 women being homeless.

And that's just what I care to mention while I'm on mobile.

Feminists have proved many times over that they don't give a shit about men, nor about women who don't fall in ideological line with them, for that matter. They're special interest group that wants as much as they can get for themselves, no matter at whose expense it's of. There is a good reason there is a huge gap between the percentage of the population that believe in sex equality, and the percentage that self-identifies as "feminist".