How does Lemmy feel about "open source" machine learning, akin to the Fediverse vs Social Media? (lemmy.world)

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Obviously there's not a lot of love for OpenAI and other corporate API generative AI here, but how does the community feel about self hosted models? Especially stuff like the Linux Foundation's Open Model Initiative?

I feel like a lot of people just don't know there are Apache/CC-BY-NC licensed "AI" they can run on sane desktops, right now, that are incredible. I'm thinking of the most recent Command-R, specifically. I can run it on one GPU, and it blows expensive API models away, and it's mine to use.

And there are efforts to kill the power cost of inference and training with stuff like matrix-multiplication free models, open source and legally licensed datasets, cheap training... and OpenAI and such want to shut down all of this because it breaks their monopoly, where they can just outspend everyone scaling , stealiing data and destroying the planet. And it's actually a threat to them.

Again, I feel like corporate social media vs fediverse is a good anology, where one is kinda destroying the planet and the other, while still niche, problematic and a WIP, kills a lot of the downsides.

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[-] tkw8@lemm.ee 27 points 2 weeks ago

I think it’s amazing. I’m running Ollama with a bunch of open-source llms. You’re right. It’s so good. The problem is keeping up to date on what the newest development is.

The pace of progress is so fast and it’s really difficult to know what the cool kids are experimenting with this moment.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly a big problem is that the community for filtering the news has "collapsed."

The only reasonable congregation was basically /r/localllama, and due to a number of factors (including, apparently, a Reddit bug that was driving away traffic according to a mod), and its shrunken a ton.

Twitter, linkedin, youtube and such are awful and full of straight up lies. Huggingface is just impossible to navigate and filter. There are a few niche aggregators, but they come and go.

Hence I was hoping lemmy would grow its existing ML communities, but most of lemmy seems broadly anti AI, even anti open source AI, hence this post to get a feel if that's true.

[-] tkw8@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

I read localllama through redlib but I don’t contribute. I am not technical enough to contribute and I don’t understand the math.

I have been looking at YouTube for some videos to try to explain it, but I haven’t found anything that is in the sweet spot between “video for non-technical people” and “video for people with PhD and quantum physics”

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's a giant mess. Even the technical vidoes tend to be theoretical, and are either obsolete or do nothing to help you actually run them.

I would know nothing if I hadn't been following the community since the Pygmalion/ESRGAN days

[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I've spent the past 2 years looking for the open source AI community, but haven't really found it. I've tinkered with Stable Diffusion and Ollama and I want to learn more, but haven't found the right places online yet.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I'll give you one hint, a lot of the community is locked away in various Discords.

This is one of the many reasons I hate Discord.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

And just to be more helpful, I can point you in the right direction depending on your hardware.

[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I hate Discord too but that has been the best place I've found the best information, but even then it doesn't really feel like a community.

I'm running on an Apple M1 at the moment, likely to upgrade to an M4 when it is released.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What RAM capacity?

Honestly, if LLMs are your focus, you should just upgrade to a used M2 Max (or Ultra) when the M4 comes out, lol. Basically the only thing that matters is RAM capacity and bandwidth, and the M2 is just going to be faster and better than a similarly priced M4.

Or better yet, upgrade to and AMD Strix Halo. This will buy you into linux and the cuda ecosystem (through AMD rocm), which is going to open a lot of doors and save headaches (while admittedly creating other headaches).

[-] Bob_Robertson_IX@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly I've mostly been playing around with image generators and learning how to write a good prompt. But LLMs are where I see real value and would love to learn more about self-hosting one, and custom training it.

I find it interesting that the M2 is better for LLM than the M4 will be... what's the reason for this?

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

RAM capacity and bandwidth.

That basically the only two things that matter for local LLM performance, as it has to read the entire model from memory for every token (aka half word). And for the same money, a "higher end" M2 (like an M2 Max or Ultra) will just have more of it than the equivalent cost M3 or (probably) M4.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 week ago

Hate to suggested it but have you checked reddit localllama?

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