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Woman caught driving with suspended licence ... for the 3rd time this year
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Does she need to work? Is commuting by public transit intolerably slower than driving a car?
It would justify the behavior.
Justify? Maybe not. But explain? Yes.
Well, it depends on whether you believe everyone is, to borrow from the US Declaration of Independence, endowed with inalienable rights.
Here in the States there's actually a legal defense, Necessity . This is the same category under which self defense lies, that if a crime committed is necessary to preserve life and well being it may be justified or exculpable.
Usually the justifying life and limb cannot exceed the harm done by the crime. So in the case of cannibalism (which was mentioned elsewhere in this thread) one isn't justified to kill someone else to preserve their own life, but if they happen to be dead already, it's justified to eat their remains to live (as per the Donner Party incident -- though in that case, they decided to eat their fallen after considerable deliberation)
It gets weird when, say, a mother breaks into a pharmacy and steals very expensive medicines in order to keep her kids alive because the price of the medications raises questions as to the value of a human life.
Now in the US, the courts are terribly corrupt, and thanks to prior incidents exculpation based on circumstances (e.g. Dan White's twinkie defense) federal and state courts in the US are less likely to actually consider circumstances without some top lawyer guns making a big stink (usually hiring expert witnesses to painstakingly explain why those circumstances make a difference). So if you're poor enough that you need to steal bread to live, you're probably not going to benefit from a necessity defense, even when it should be valid.
Licenses are a wrongdoing against the state, and behaviors are licensed by the state allegedly in protection of the interests of the public. Licensed driving is to assure one is qualified to drive, so the wrongdoing against the community doesn't happen until the driver is involved in an incident that brings harm to others (or to other public interests, such as the environment -- driving into a lake would count).
But where this goes under necessity is that her occupation, and thus her survival may depend on her capacity to drive, and if the state is going to strip her of license, it has to take that into consideration, or deal with the consequences of motivating more crime.
It would not justify it, you just like the excuse because you tend to do similar things. You are not entitled to murder others, especially those who aren't responsible for your situation, in order to satisfy your "needs". Cannibalism doesn't magically become acceptable because you're starving.
Pretty weird that you're baselessly accusing this person of doing similar things just for asking whether or not she's doing this in the absence of a viable transportation alternative.
Like why are people on this site such dicks? It's way past Reddit levels of snark and it just makes for a shitty experience here. It's like hanging out with a bunch of jaded and snarky IT guys.
I'm no fan of shitty drivers and I think if we live in a world where license suspensions are a thing, that's fine but don't be surprised when stuff like this happens when public transit sucks. It may exist but there's a reason why a lot of folks prefer their car over poorly funded public transit.
If your job is indirectly about murdering people, you're just a soldier and this is war. It is the Nuremberg defense, the "I was just following orders" excuse.
Have you thought about why public transit is poorly funded and developed?
Have you thought about why public transit is poorly funded and developed?
Because the automotive industry actively dismantled it in the early twentieth century and then lobbied ever since to redirect funding to highway maintenance? The largest single government project in existence in the US National Highway System.
Indeed. And that automobile industry is supported by a large segregationist population who loves living where the buses full of non-white poors don't reach. That and there's physical competition over road space for buses, as they require bus lanes. Bus lanes aren't car lanes, that's the point of bus lanes, and installing bus lanes is usually unpopular (due to all the car drivers who don't want to lose a lane or street parking).
What I'm trying to point out is that all sides of system matters, especially if there's some kind of democracy going on. Blame is distributed.
Did you reply to the right person? I'm not sure how your comment is relevant to mine. I'm well aware of why public transit is poorly funded and developed.
Some people, when given a choice between cannibalism and dying of starvation will choose the former. The ones that do may choose to regret it, but they are alive to have the capacity to regret.
At the point that you are struggling to survive, any society that does not immediately render aid is no society at all (not to you), and is either an enemy, taking resources you need, or prey.
I find it unfathomable that people imagine that poor people and untermenschen should just resign themselves to dying off. It explains why the working class might resort to terror attacks to assert their right to exist.
Oh, wow, that's so comforting to know: the monster feel a tinge of guilt. So, are you ready to die for someone else's character development (best case)?
The least one can do is understand the class war. You don't punch down or to the side. You don't do reverse-Robin-hood.
Aside from that, if all that's left of this species is monsters, there's no point to it.
Sound like you've never gone hungry, or even suffered from precarity.
We are all monsters once we are desperate enough. Even you.
But then we, as a species, careen towards multiple great filters we are ill-prepared to navigate. We may be too savage to survive after all.
Need money but have to waste time working? That justifys theft.
Getting a job takes months on average. And the way our current system works, you have to lie about experience to get your first job, and then upgrade a couple of times to get a living wage with survival benefits. That takes years.
You have to eat and sleep today. If you have ongoing medical requirements, your healthcare can't wait for a job.