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Hamas is not a victim! The population in Gaza is. A victim of their government and their government enemies, but Hamas is a terrorist organisation that has no intentions of stopping that war. Even at the cost of their own people.
What would Hamas backing off look like, exactly?
What could they do to stop the genocide?
Right now? Probably almost nothing, except to accept defeat.
But we at a decades old conflict.
Accepting defeat against a genocide is also called suicide
Suicide can be honorable.
You cheered for Bushnell, right?
I don't think these people want to die.
Now can you explain why Hamas is at fault for not laying down to get genocided when doing so will only let Israel wipe out Palestine faster?
While you're at it, you can explain how the age of the conflict changes that in any way.
If the Hamas would officially surrender, continuing the killing would be a heavy war crime (not that Israels government cares though) however I would hope the rest of the world would care more.
To summarise, Hamas is at fault because they're not surrendering to be killed, allowing Israel to mulch the Palestinians so fast that the international community miiight turn against them where the ongoing genocide and thousands of gleefully documented warcrimes haven't?
Does this seem like a reasonable assignment of blame or viable solution to the issue to you?
The Hamas had plenty opportunities to surrender. And even if they do now they would get a better situation.
I can't see into the future, but I think that would be the best option.
However this is a war about religion, and won't end until one gives up fully. I am sure once Gaza is defeated the Hamas will switch to guerilla tactics in order to cause as much harm as possible.
Surrendering to those genociding your people so that they can genocide you more easily isn't a better solution.
Why are you blaming the victims of a genocide rather than calling for Israel to stop committing the genocide and surrender to the Hague? Israel are the ones with the actual ability to stop this, and they're the ones committing orders of magnitude more atrocities.
First of all calling it a genocide is debatable.
Secondly, while the people are victims, the Hamas is not. If the Hamas would have cared for their people, they would have done so years ago. Right now they are fucked. Because I don't think neathu ie backing down.
Neither Netanyahu or Hamas are backing down. I'm asking you why you're calling for Hamas to surrender to be killed and accelerate the genocide rather than calling for Israel to stop the genocide.
Calling it genocide isn't debatable if you use the UN or dictionary definition of the word rather than tying yourself in knots to blame the victims for not dying faster.
Because the opposite is the case. A surrender would stop the war.
What on earth makes you think that after:
Israel have declined the dozens of ceasefires offered to them (unlike those Hamas monsters)
Israel funded Hamas' displacement of the secular moderates (why if not to manufacture the pretext for this genocide at the predictable expense of Israeli lives?)
Israel have maintained Palestine as an open air concentration camp (UN and Human Rights Watch's words not mine) for decades, controlling movement, trade, food, water, power, and "policing" them oppressively in a manner that bears no resemblance to their policing of Israelis
Israel spent decades killing and displacing God knows how many Palestinians in an obvious attempt to drive them out and steal their land
Israel have committed countless warcrimes (both before and since October 7th), killed the most journalists and aid workers per day of any conflict in history, and killed tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians while refusing to hold the IDF accountable for the warcrimes they're shamelessly posting online for clout.
Israel just can't stop screaming genocidal rhetoric like calls for a second, larger Amalek, the extermination of Palestinians, and calling Palestinians animals.
A surrender would stop the war in that Israel would simply wrap up their genocide faster and have noone left to murder... but I'm not a fucking demon, so I see that as an acceptable outcome.
Is your solution to school shootings to have all the schoolkids line up in an orderly fashion to be executed? I'd hate to think you wrapped your evil in a bow of inconsistency.