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[-] Rooki@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago

Sadly thats fediverse, instance come and go as they like. Because behind them are humans that do this in their freetime ( most of the time out of their own pocket ). Big respect to everyone hosting a federated instance.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 17 points 1 week ago

It shouldn't be like this. If we keep treating the Fediverse as just a scrappy, amateur effort, it will never reach its full potential and it will be forever just a niche thing.

[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 23 points 1 week ago

I actually kind of enjoy the "scrappy diy effort niche" thing.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 5 points 1 week ago

it's fine if you want to have it as a hobby. It's not fine if you want to destroy Big Tech.

[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 23 points 1 week ago

Well, I guess it's priorities. Destroying Big Tech would be pretty nice, but I'm really just here for the community.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 6 points 1 week ago

Not to single you out, but this attitude is unbelievably frustrating. Everyone here loves to waste hours of their day signaling their virtue and complaining about all the evils done by the corporations, but so few are actually willing to put any skin in the game. they complain about entshittication from Spotify and Netflix, but religiously continue paying their subscriptions while refusing to support smaller, independent businesses.

[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 17 points 1 week ago

Well, at this point I would like to point out that I religiously avoid paying anything to hostile services, and that I do support the small independent instance I'm on.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 1 week ago

Nice, I just hope that you are contributing with more than $1-2 per year. ;)

Also, if you understand the importance of support it the instances, why don't you wish that everyone did the same?

[-] Bezier@suppo.fi 7 points 1 week ago

with more than $1-2 per year. ;)

More than my own share for sure, regardless of the result of the other argument.

why don't you wish that everyone did the same?

I do. But a paywall adds a considerable barrier to entry.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago

But a paywall adds a considerable barrier to entry.

Indeed. We are already struggling to get users and content, adding a paywall would probably kill the platform

[-] rglullis@communick.news 4 points 1 week ago

a paywall adds a considerable barrier to entry.

The idea is to get rid of "instances with open registrations". It doesn't mean that paywalled instances are the only way to achieve that.

  • We can have more people running their own small servers to share with their friends
  • We can have companies providing ActivityPub accounts to customers of their services (e.g, sign-up to the NYT and get access to any of the servers managed by Mastodon GmbH)
  • We can have companies operating their own AP servers for their employees
  • We can have phone/internet companies giving access to their AP servers as long as they have a contract or a positive balance on the top-up
  • We can have "pay it forward" instances: admins put up donations, but they explicitly declare how much they want per active user account. The instance only accepts new registrations when it has secured the resources.
[-] veniasilente@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

I mean, you are not entitled to people being soldiers in your war against Big Tech. Like, I'd be totally for it, but some other time, nowadays I'm resting and being creative. Speaking of, not everyone here laps the crotch of Spotify et al. I'm a proud (but modest) pirate.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 1 week ago

I wasn't the one starting the protests against Reddit, and I am not the screaming at my computer whenever Elon Musk says something completely stupid.

I just thought that after all these years, more people have understood what "when you don't pay for the product, you are the product" really meant.

[-] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 1 points 1 week ago

The fediverse will never destroy big tech unfortunately. In their worst case, they will incorporate it and easily dominate.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 1 week ago

If not completely destroy it, at least make it irrelevant for those who want to avoid it.

The FOSS movement never destroyed Microsoft, but it arguably made it possible for us to live in a world where Bill Gates owned every PC software that we run.

[-] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 1 points 1 week ago

In my opinion, the fediverse as it exists today is very vulnerable to domination by big tech. The only reason it hasn't happened yet is it is too small for them to care that much.

If the fediverse ever becomes mainstream, big tech will dominate it. If we want to fight big tech, we need to rethink our strategy and the fediverse, because right now, the fediverse is not ready to take it on.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 2 points 1 week ago

How would that happen? If the core idea of "the Fediverse" is to have a loosely-connected network of servers and applications speaking a common protocol, how is it that they would use to "dominate" it?

I am not saying that Big Tech couldn't try to use it "open wash" their solutions, like Facebook and Google did with XMPP before. But what I am saying is that (like XMPP) I think it's virtually impossible for them to "dominate" something that is open.

I'm also not saying that the software we have is ready for the masses (it isn't) but all the issues I see are just a matter of implementation, not a fundamental design flaw.

[-] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 1 points 6 days ago

There's several vulnerabilities:

  • the fediverse unfortunately remains quite centralized. Most users wanna join the big servers. If it wasn't for the big servers literally driving people away, we would've been even more centralized
  • most people have no issue with corporate presence in the fediverse. They're okay with blue sky and okay with threads. In fact, clearly Gargaron is okay with meta and threads.
  • big tech already has a federated server that dwarves the rest of the fediverse combined: threads. Yes it's still not quite there yet, but if they complete its federation, they will dominate it.
  • gargaron showed he's okay selling out to Meta. What prevents another instance admin? A corporation could easily offer enough money to a handful of instance admins and control all these instances.
[-] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 6 days ago

This is not answering my question, or we have different ideas of what it means to dominate.

80% of email traffic is either Gmail or Outlook, yet none of Big Tech is able to control it fully. They can not force you to use their email server, and smaller providers still exist and are actually healthy business.

Is it hard to run an email by yourself? Yes. Is it impossible? Absolutely not. To me, that is what matters.

[-] matcha_addict@lemy.lol 3 points 6 days ago

Then yes indeed were thinking differently. To me, email has already lost to big tech. The technical possibility of hosting email is there, but you can't even reach most users of the world without a lot of work.

[-] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

What is your idea of "a lot of work"? Because I am perfectly happy with my $19/year service from migadu.com.

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