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Trump Has Crossed a Truly Unacceptable Line
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this post was submitted on 14 Sep 2024
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It's on voters to impose them by keeping him out of office
It really, really shouldn't be just on voters. This shit is defamatory and incites violence; there should be legal consequences for it.
Yeah, I wish the legal system didn’t have this deference to “the voters will decide” when it reaches the level of actual criminal activity. Like the fact that you are running for or currently hold some office should have no impact at all on whether we are all equal before the law or how the law treats us. Yet every court and law enforcement agency seems terrified of the appearance of influencing the outcome of an election to the point that as long as you are running for something you are essentially legally bulletproof if the election is coming up soon.
That would require the rule of law but we apparently ran out of that awhile ago and forgot to buy more. Or really, it never applied to certain people as much as others and now that is truly laid bare by the failures of the legal system to bring consequences for the crimes we have all witnessed Trump committing.
To bad half of them are hateful fucking morons.
Half of us....Let's not other-ize them because I'm assuming you are also American, and like it or not they are our fucking peers.
One way or another they are our fucking problem to deal with unfortunately. I know you didn't really mean it like that most likely, but I think it is important to recognize that we have to accept the reality of the society we are living in no matter how much we fucking hate it.
No, I did mean it like that.
I'm absolutely certain I'm a "them" to them. They're trying to turn my country into a shit hole that's dangerous for people like me and even more dangerous for people I care about. So fuck them. I'm willing to forgive the simpletons who don't understand what they're doing, but there is no "us" anymore unless and until they give up entirely on their dreams of building a racially pure fascist theocracy and do a really, really good job of showing they're sincere and remorseful. Their leaders need to be swinging from ropes just like the Nazis convicted at Nuremberg, or at least rotting in prison. I won't be holding my breath for that to happen.
The thing I believe you are missing in your assessment is that it took outside forces to overcome Nazism in Germany, and Fascism in Europe more broadly.
Nobody is coming to save us this time. We are the world's leading nuclear superpower. So, any attempt to change course is going to have to come from within unless we are talking about destroying civilization entirely.
I don't see a way that outside diplomacy is going to have any effect either. We must accept the reality we are in, and fight back by using grassroots methods to stop the radicalization of our peers.
I grant you that it feels like a hopeless battle at times, but so do all wars of attrition. I understand the anger and the fear. It is justified. However, we need to be clear eyed and sober minded about the reality we are living in. So, I think my original point still stands.