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"Progressives should not make the same mistake that Ernst Thälmann made in 1932. The leader of the German Communist Party, Thälmann saw mainstream liberals as his enemies, and so the center and left never joined forces against the Nazis. Thälmann famously said that 'some Nazi trees must not be allowed to overshadow a forest' of social democrats, whom he sneeringly called 'social fascists.'

After Adolf Hitler gained power in 1933, Thälmann was arrested. He was shot on Hitler’s orders in Buchenwald concentration camp in 1944."

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[-] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I was trying to draw a comparison to how the KPD formed in the first place. they were a group within the spd who were horrified at their colleagues voting in support of a brutal imperialist war and left (or rather were kicked out) of the party. Imo there has to be a moral line somewhere after which you refuse to vote for or even be in government with people who do monstrous things.

And it is not just the uk's system of elections, as I mentioned this pattern happens across all of Europe and the United States, which leads me to also believe it's an inherent feature of "liberal" bourgeois democracy and the kpd were right to roll the dice and try to fight it through non electoral means.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Frankly, most communist parties around the world that try to fight the government and take over violently get brutally crushed.

You cannot launch a violent revolution without popular support, and the reality is that absent extreme circumstances, the population as a whole at any given time will view the policies proposed by most communist parties as extreme. That is why it is so exceedingly rare for communist parties to be able to win power democratically, because the truth of the matter is that communist policies are usually deeply unpopular.

I do not care whatever your intentions may be; if you try to impose your ideology on the population against their will by violence, I equate you to the fascists. And indeed, many of the so-called socialist regimes that have popped up after these "worker's revolutions" have been tinpot dictatorships with the socialist decorations, while extinguishing personal liberties and badly mismanaging the state economy. And the promise of equality is totally betrayed as the party leadership becomes the new bourgeoisie, living in luxury off others' labour while the workers' living standards remain much lower.

Simply put, just because a hammer and sickle was installed atop the state buildings, the flag drenched in red, and the Evil Bourgeoise Government renamed to the People's Evil Bourgeoise Government doesn't make it any better.

I am a socialist and also Chinese, and I believe fellow socialist George Orwell's Animal Farm is shockingly illustrative of the situation.

[-] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well i'm Russian and also a socialist, believe me I love that book too! in fact there was a character named Molly in it that voiced similar sentiments about animalism being unpopular ;)

In fact the war itself was also popular in 1914, everyone was raring to go and show those dam frenchmen what for. But surely it's obvious the German people at large were wrong not to believe the communists!

And it's a tragedy that it took direct experience of the devastation and millions of casualties for them to change their minds about it and stage a revolution in 1918.

What happened in Germany after the communist revolution is a whole other story of course.

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