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lemmy.fmhy.ml's stance on defederation
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I don't know why you're insisting people who don't like lemmygrad are anti-communists. Not all communists are pro-stalin tankies.
And not all liberals are pro war advocates... but some are.
Just because they like him, doesn't mean they admire everything he did. The idea behind the USSR, yes, not the war crimes he commited. And there are war crimes on both sides of the fence, not just on Stalin's side, yet they go unrecognized in history. If we villanize, let's villanize both sides, not just one.
Sure! Fuck all war criminals, including the ones you seem to like defending. Listen, maybe people defederated lemmygrad because they "hate communists", or maybe they fully understand their position, and find it objectionable on its own merits. I would, unambiguously, never say I liked a war criminal. If I found out somebody was a war criminal, I would stop liking them. I don't want to be around people who like war criminals, either. To me, that either means they don't know about the war crimes, or they're kinda okay with the war crimes, and either option is bad.
The US took every rocket scientist from Nazi Germany after WWII and didn't let any one of them get tried in Nimmberg for their war crimes, threatening with sanctions if anyone tried to portray them as criminals ๐.
I don't like war crimes and criminals as well, but there are crimes on both sides, not just one. Just because one of them is pretty good at hiding, minimizing and justifying theirs, doesn't mean they're lesser crimes or that they didn't happen.
Then you should probably stop liking half the US leadership, historically of course, cuz most of them have done things that can be catagorized as war crimes. They're just really good at hiding or minimizing them.
If you don't like them, that's fine, block the communities. Defederating from them is not the answer IMO. And I will probably move to kbin because of this defederation BS.
The difference is almost nobody supports the presidents or officials that intiated said war crimes like president Bush. Tons of people hate Nixon too. Wheras these guys support Stalin despite his war crimes. If they supported USSR ideals without Stalin maybe that would be acceptable, but they don't.
This is like if I tried to defend Hitler because of how he improved the economy, or his anti-smoking campaign.
Yes, but both presidents are still legit presidents in the history books. No history book ever mentions these things, you find them out through published papers or articles on the subject.
They support the ideas behind what Stalin did, as in how he ran the state. In general, I do agree with some of it as well. None of them agree with the extermination of 20M USSR citizens during his reign. Ask them, you'll always get the same answer. I have, and I got the exact same answer I gave you now.
Plus, they mostly praise Lennin and Marx, the ideologies, not the people that implemented them. Not to mention that societies like that have been implemented anywhere for the 1st time ever in history, a completely different way of looking on things, mistakes are bound to happen. Not to the exempt what Stalin did (he did most of the attrocities on purpose, no doubt there, he just wanted more centralized power).
And what is wrong with how Hitler revitalized the economy? Please explain how that is bad ๐คจ. The idea is 100% good. If he was a dictator and did horrible things, that doesn't mean all of the things he did were bad, most of them, yes, but why not take what is good from the things he did and just learn from that. Praise him, no, but praise that idea that is his, most definitely yes. After all, ask any doctor when were most advances in medical knowledge about the human body done, it was right after WWII, right after the allies snatched Mengele's thousands of drawings, pictures, analysis, etc. Were the things Dr. Mengele did good? Of course not. Did they help greatly to progress medicine in the next 10 years or so? Most definitely yes. Should he be praised? No. Should he be mentioned as the one directly responsible for that progress. Yes.
I thought that one of the main ways hitler imprved the economy of Germany was through the war effort. Though I could ne wrong.
Much like what the US is doing today, wouldn't you say so ๐คท?
Why have you commented twice the same thing?
I don't support the US in general. If you're talking about Ukraine specifically then Ukraine is in the right in this war, to the extent there is a right side in this war. NATO isn't good but current day Russia is worse.
Bad signal, must've posted twice by mistake thinking the post didn't go through.
I'm not talking about Russia or Ukraine nowadays. I was talking about all of the wars the US though are "necessary" to fight over the past 30 years or so, in order to perserve it's way of life (whatever that means)... not to mention butting in into other countries wars, internal affairs, etc. Beside the point, by having these wars, they create new job oportunities for compaines (US based or not), mostly in contruction, thus boosting the econmy. Everyone knows construction booms are one of the main reasons for economy booms, and it's completely logical.
Oh I agree that what the US has done is wrong. That's why I don't support president bush or the US in general. It's a very messed up country.
It's also funny that they helped arm the Taliban only to go in and fight them, and then have them take back over anyway when they left. What an epic series of blunders that was.