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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.ml to c/freemediaheckyeah@lemmy.fmhy.ml

Following the announcement by beehaw admins to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, there has been many posts and messages regarding that decisions and what other instances will do.

I personally believe Lemmy/kbin can only thrive if there is a free flow of content between different instances, with instance admins taking a back seat and focusing more on the infrastructure and making sure the technical bugs are smoothened out. Community mods can moderate their communities, and users can block the communities they don't find appealing (there's even a toggle in settings to hide every NSFW post from your feed altogether).

We don't want to create walled gardens, nor do we want to make Lemmy more confusing than it already is for new users. We will not be defederating from any instance if there is even one good community on it that our instance users might find useful. So far we have only blocked lemmygrad.ml, and right now we have no plans to block anyone else.

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[-] Joker@lemmy.fmhy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

I will say that I sometimes like to visit controversial communities due to curiosity, and to be amazed at all the insane and braindead things people say. Furthermore, I don't like living in a bubble, and knowing what people I disagree with say/think is important to forming well-informed opinions. So sometimes I do like to subscribe to communities on even places like lemmygrad just for those reasons. It's annoying when instances block controversial instances, because controversy often interesting and very lurkable. I understand why those places are blocked, and I definitely don't want to see fascist bs on my feed all the time. But I wish I could have the best of both worlds.

I wanna decide what I get to see. It would be cool if the instances could be blocked on a followers-only basis. Like, blocked for the all feeds, blocked in general. But not for me if I follow it.

I actually chose this instance in large part because it only blocks one other one lol

[-] tehmics@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I'll echo this sentiment. I also lurk communities that I don't agree with, and I want to see dissenting views. I find that heavy moderation often just leads to echo chambers where real issues can be kicked under the rug

[-] Tb0n3@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Are we not capable of hiding things we don't want to see on Lemmy ourselves? Why would I want to be babysat by anyone when I can make adult choices on what I want to see my own damn self? Censorship was what ruined Reddit years ago. Leave it entirely up to the users.

[-] Rottcodd@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago

I just want to be able to control what I see. I have no desire to control what other people see and I sure as fuck don't want other people to control what I see.

That's it. That's my entire position on the matter.

[-] JasSmith@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

I am dismayed with how many people want to control what others can see.

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[-] dart@lemmy.fmhy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just throwing my opinion in... Since we can block communities on our own, we don't really need someone to decide which to block for us. I mean, it's not my instance, so you can do whatever you want, and I actually might've decided to block lemmygrad.ml myself, but I'd still rather see the posts and make that determination myself.

[-] amcjv12@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Completely agree with this. I can block anything I don't want to see, and I'd rather not have someone else decide that for me

[-] MisterFrog@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Can you blanket block comments from other instances users?

I am not a fan of Beehaw's decision, but I can't a setting where you can actually do this.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemmy.fmhy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I think the issue here people posting things in BeeHaw's communities that they don't want. The only way to stop that is to block users on a case by case basis, and since people can create unlimited free accounts this is ineffective given the low numbers of mods they have. The only way to work around this was to ban the two instances that had the most bad actors and easy registration.

I have floated the idea of a whitelist of users for their communities, but have been informed this isn't supported by Lemmy at the moment.

[-] Watcher@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 year ago

In my point of view it's a kind of censorship. Just let the user himself decide what he wants to see.

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[-] knife@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

thank you for not being a drama queen and railroading this whole thing by leveraging the small amount of power you have to make some bullshit point about your social views.

[-] tartarsauce@lemmy.fmhy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I very much appreciate this philosophy. It looks like this is the right instance for me :)

[-] FermatsLastAccount@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

So far we have only blocked lemmygrad.ml, and right now we have no plans to block anyone else.

Why is lemmygrad blocked, but not exploding heads?

[-] tehmics@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Is there a place to see what's blocked, and why?

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[-] Otome-chan@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

as a kbinaut, may I ask why everyone feels it's important to block lemmygrad? here on kbin we're still federated with them and things seem fine?

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.fmhy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because basically, everyone got scared from them being communists/socialists and just decided to defederate from them.

It's nothing more than fear based on years of propaganda pushed by western countries, nothing more. They don't defederate from anyone, yet everyone feels the need to defederate from them. Yes, they do have leftist views, they do think the world of many current and ex communist leaders, but if you don't like that, you can just block their communities ๐Ÿคท.

Other than that, their communites are mostly like everyone else's, politics, memes, piracy, comics, etc. They even have a few LGBTQ+ dedicated communities and about 20% of them are LGBTQ+ acording to a recent demographic survey they had (you can find it in their main community), so... basically, they're human, just like the rest of us.

Many of them are well informed, not to mention highly educated, so I can see why there is fear amongst other instances - a debate starts, most people will flop regarding info, facts, whatever, they'll have the upper hand in the debate, so why actually try and listen to what they've got to say, they're just tankies anyway - defederate ๐Ÿคท.

If you don't like their communities, just block them, no need to defederate from them... at least I can't see a reason.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

They support North Korea for goodness sake. Being communists isn't the problem, it's that they support fascist dictatorships pretending to be communist.

[-] 0x4E4F@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you support president Washington? Did you know he was pro slavery? Far worse than having a dictatorship if you ask me.

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[-] OldGitPhil@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

The problem at the moment is that the community moderation tools are pretty limited. At some point there will be coordinated attacks on some communities and the moderation tools are not yet sufficient to defend against that sort of thing.

[-] BlackSkinnedJew@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 year ago

Thx admin chief ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

[-] calvinklein97@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for that. I tried to subscribe to some German communities on Feddit just to find out that they blocked our instance on their end. Fuck them I guess, I'm staying here.

[-] ondoyant@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I think that structures that permit people and communities to do literally whatever they want is how lemmy can thrive. The people in beehaw (myself included) are on the whole perfectly chill with the defederation, and the specific reasons and conditions for that defederation. The admins have been open about the fact that they want more moderation tools for our community before refederating with those instances, it isn't a permanent state of affairs. I like beehaw. Its chill. Maybe other people wouldn't like that, but then maybe just don't host your account there? There are tons of other places to be. This isn't reddit, if you aren't inside beehaw, its management doesn't affect you.

Except for the fact that defederating is bidirectional at the moment. It would be nice if the platform's defederation and the user's defederation were less tied together, but as far as I can tell, the beehaw admins only defederated because there wasn't a compromise between "do nothing" and "ban everything" available to them.

[-] kilmister@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

A little bit late to the party here. What is the reason why lemmygrad.ml is blocked?

[-] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Very tanky ultra left pro Russia, pro China, anti everyone else part of Fediverse.

Check them out if you like but they only talk shit about the West and NATO. Put another way, you are not missing much by avoiding them.

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