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[-] rami@ani.social 15 points 2 days ago

Yeah like I agree with the thought but the mail is kinda sacred.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yep. Don't fuck with the mail.

Especially in the times we are in right now.

Which is why these carriers, as much as I sympathize with not wanting to deal with the hateful messages, need to be punished severely and swiftly.

We shouldn't punish people for standing up to fascists. Fascists are acting in bad faith and bad faith actors will abuse any system no matter what. We should focus on defending our institutions from infiltration by bad actors and refuse to tolerate intolerance.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

and part of defending those institutions is punishing bad behavior, regardless of how much you might agree with it or think its righteous.

Because the carrier does not get to dictate who gets what mail. Their job, the entire basis of the institution, is to deliver the mail on their appointed route, regardless what it is, regardless to whom it is to.

You arguing that each postal carrier has some intrinsic right to not deliver mail they find objectionable is arguing for the destruction, not the defense, of the US Postal Service.

[-] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

regardless of how much you might agree with it or think its righteous.

It's got nothing to do with me or righteousness. This is about strategic decisions to defend life and liberty from bad faith actors such as fascists.

regardless what it is

Not if it's dangerous to the people it's being delivered to. We do not want dangerous substances or bombs sent in the mail.

You arguing that each postal carrier has some intrinsic right to not deliver mail they find objectionable is arguing for the destruction, not the defense, of the US Postal Service.

No, I am arguing that we as a society should refuse to tolerate intolerance. Gender affirming care is a collection of lifesaving medical treatments. A ban on gender affirming care would deny trans people the fundamental right to exist. The success of this targeted disinformation campaign would put trans people in a life-threatening situation. By refusing to spread this disinformation campaign, this Canadian woman made the strategic decision to defend life and liberty.

Here in the US, the MAGA movement, a christo-fascist movement is attempting to takeover our democracy this November 5th. Depending on the outcome of the election we me all soon find ourselves in the position of this woman. Acts of civil disobedience might be the last line of defense to prevent the worst outcomes of fascist policies. We should not allow our institutions to be the instruments of our destruction. edit: typo

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

You can drown your post in as much honey sweetened words as you want.

You are still, ultimately, arguing for the destruction of our institutions by trying to give the people you agree with special privilege to do wrong that you agree with.

It is not the postal carriers job to censor or filter the mail. It is their job to deliver it.

Flip the story around.

Its now a right wing mailman refusing to deliver stuff that he doesn't like.

My argument would be the same, That they would need to be punished severely to protect the institution of the US Postal Service, in order to prevent other bad actors from doing more of the same and destroying it from the inside.

I highly doubt you'd mount such stalwart and furious defense of a right wing mail carrier, as you are right now.

You are as much a cancer and threat to our institutions as all the other bad actors.

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