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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by darthfabulous42069@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

To extrapolate:

People often say that one should not worry about what others think of them, but life simply doesn't work that way. What other people think of you really does matter; point-in-fact, it can be everything depending on what field you go into.

Like say, for example, you're a business owner and you're recorded arguing with an angry Karen of a customer, the video's posted online, and the internet sides with the Karen. Then, people boycott your business and you're left without a livelihood.

Or perhaps you say something crass and get cancelled. Or simply anger or inconvenience someone with a lot of influence.

Or, even more horrifyingly, say you were assaulted and you came forward, and were ostracized and shunned by your community as a result.

How could one set up their life such that it would be impossible for people like that to rob one of their livelihood? How could one make it impossible for others to shun or ostracize them?

How could a business owner set up their business so that other people couldn't simply shut it down on a whim in such a manner?


EDIT: I'll just "be myself" since that's what the majority of people in the thread want and repeat what I said to another individual:

Honestly, the way everybody is acting is really, really shameful. I am a person who made a thread and gave it a [Serious] tag because I wanted serious, literal answers to a serious problem that, given my chosen career path, will affect me at some point in my life and could potentially ruin it without good info to prepare for such a crisis beforehand. But all I’m getting is denial, mockery, condescension, lies, put-downs.

And it’s rooted in this desire to either pretend the problem is not real because you’re all secretly afraid it’ll affect you yourselves, or it’s because you know it’s real but you view it as a positive because ostracization and shunning people is an emotional cudgel you wield to silence people you don’t agree with on the internet, and answering the question honestly would require framing such actions as a negative and that would make you question the morality of your actions. And that’s not only sick, that’s just cowardly. If you believe cancelling people is morally A-O good, then at least have the temerity to threaten me with a “Don’t speak your mind and mask up” response like at least a few people were honest enough to do.

But don’t insult my intelligence by thinking you can lie to my face and pretend that something I’ve been personally watching happen to other people for over a decade is not, in fact, happening.

Now I came here for a serious answer to a serious problem that affects everyone. If you can't participate in good faith and offer meaningful strategies to avoid or fix such problems and want to either misconstrue it as an emotional issue -- much as you'll do with what I'm saying here after the majority of you demanded I just be myself and not worry about the consequences -- or outright deny it's a real problem when it's been real for over a decade, just don't participate in the thread. Just go elsewhere.


Okay, I just acted like myself. Everyone happy?

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[-] darthfabulous42069@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not worried about my ego, I'm worried about my livelihood, my dreams and my life. It's so easy to dismiss the problem by wrongly framing it as an emotional one instead of treating it like the real threat that it is. It's a lot harder to acknowledge there's a serious problem here that everyone, not just myself, has to worry about.

Ordinary people get cancelled all the time whether they deserve it or not, too, so we can't reasonably just assume nobody will care. People clearly do.

[-] Helix@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

It is an emotional problem. I own part of a business and it's nearly impossible to "cancel" me.

As someone else said, perspective makes all the difference.

Ordinary people get cancelled all the time

Citation needed.

[-] darthfabulous42069@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You must have been living under a rock the past decade then.

It is an emotional problem. I own part of a business and it’s nearly impossible to “cancel” me.

EDIT: Never mind, I know you'll purposefully with-hold a straight answer because you think the fact that I am worrying about this is a moral failing on my part and you are trying to condition me to adopt your way of thinking. And that's sick. It's also a pretty good example of what I'm talking about so keep going

[-] Helix@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

How do you avoid people boycotting or review-bombing your business en masse and still freely express yourself?

Simple rule in business: no sex, no drugs, no politics.

[-] darthfabulous42069@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Well, I thank you for answering the question, at least.

[-] Helix@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You must have been living under a rock the past decade then.

You seem to have doomscrolled a lot. Our earth is inhabited by billions of people with millions of businesses and you're thinking a few isolated cases mean you're in danger of being cancelled 🤣

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_statistics

[-] darthfabulous42069@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

And this is where you lost me. It's a very real and very easily observable phenomenon; you can do a quick search on Twitter or Google (such as they are) and see for yourself it's a very real and very frightening phenomenon.

I'm sorry you don't take the problem seriously, but don't jump on me to make yourself feel better over it.

[-] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can search anything on Google and find that it’s a very real and frightening problem. It’s the worlds largest bias-confirming echo chamber of that’s how you choose to use it.

[-] darthfabulous42069@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

You just don't want to believe it's real, don't you?

Or it's easier to discredit the problem itself than to acknowledge that it could happen to you, too.

[-] Helix@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

The problem exists but it's not nearly as frequent as you believe.

[-] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 2 points 1 year ago

You’re so wrapped up you don’t even realizing that you’re speaking to a completely different person.

[-] darthfabulous42069@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

No, I'm talking to you. You really sound like you just don't want to believe it's a real problem as do the majority of people in the thread, which is shameful, because their behavior is proving what I'm saying is real. Stuff like that really does happen to people. It's real.

Honestly, the way everybody is acting is really, really shameful. I am a person who made a thread and gave it a [Serious] tag because I wanted serious, literal answers to a serious problem that, given my chosen career path, will affect me at some point in my life and could potentially ruin it without good info to prepare for such a crisis beforehand. But all I'm getting is denial, mockery, condescension, lies, put-downs.

And it's rooted in this desire to either pretend the problem is not real because you're all secretly afraid it'll affect you yourselves, or it's because you know it's real but you view it as a positive because ostracization and shunning people is an emotional cudgel you wield to silence people you don't agree with on the internet, and answering the question honestly would require framing such actions as a negative and that would make you question the morality of your actions. And that's not only sick, that's just cowardly. If you believe cancelling people is morally A-O good, then at least have the temerity to threaten me with a "Don't speak your mind and mask up" response like at least a few people were honest enough to do.

But don't insult my intelligence by thinking you can lie to my face and pretend that something I've been personally watching happen to other people for over a decade is not, in fact, happening.

Jesus Christ. 🤦

[-] muddybulldog@mylemmy.win 1 points 1 year ago

I pointed out that Google can be an echo chamber and have made no other comment, assertion or allusion.

Your response was, let’s say, verbose.

[-] Helix@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

you can do a quick search on Twitter or Google

As I said, doomscrolling.

this post was submitted on 09 Aug 2023
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