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As a Muslim I can understand arguments stemming from liberalism, but this one makes no sense. Islam is pretty clear about what should be done with known homosexuals, and leaving them alone isn't it. Again, I can understand not agreeing with the principle from the start, but the "let God deal with it" is illogical.
It's not even about "liberalism" or "conservative" mentality. It's just common sense really. How the fuck does homosexuals hurt you in any way? Nothing. They don't hurt anybody. They cannot magically turn you gay, you are born gay - or not. That's all. Now this will never stop being a thing. It was a thing 25,000 years ago, it will be a thing in 25,000 years from there, it's a thing in the animal kingdom, it's not a disease you can transmit, nobody ever turned gay at 40 years old like "sheesh fuck vaginas, I like penis now". Like what the fuck? If you are against homosexuals, you are pretty much against whatever god your parents told you to believe in, because it's natural. It's a creation of said gods.
The more people figure that out, the faster we can actually focus on real issues that ARE actually affecting us all; economy, inflation, climate change, job crisis, pandemics, heat waves, hurricanes, healthcare, etc. THOSE ARE REAL CONCERNS IN THE REAL WORLD.
Drop the fucking stupid bullshit with gays, lesbians, abortions and religions, those are all non-issues that doesn't matter in the end. This isn't 1532, we are in 2023 for fuck sake
Yes, that's what I meant by liberalism. The idea that as long as you don't harm people around you you should be allowed to do whatever, also called the harm principle. Anyway, I'm not here to debate moral systems; just saying that the attempt I replied to was weak even if you agree with the conclusion.
What?
Basically while I can understand arguments stemming from "they don't hurt you", the guy I replied to's attempt was weak, that's all.
If that is the case then your religion is immoral and you should leave it.
If only this actually got people out of it, there'd be so much less evil in the world
It was a factor in my leaving my birth faith. Seeing the differences between what the books said and how people acted and the how modern morality didn't match up with the books.
Morality, like everything else, evolves. Religions try to freeze it in a fixed place. Fetishizes the past, making the living enslaved to the dead. Mohammed and Jesus and Moses and the Buddha are to be perfect people for us.
The same reasoning goes for Christianity.
And? I am fine with everyone leaving every religion.
As long as you’re being consistent. But sadly, I don’t think that’s possible. I wish people could just use their heads instead of following some dumbshit set of rules written thousands of years ago, but unfortunately it’s not really gonna happen.
See, this is a logically consistent position. Not one that I agree with, but better than the guy I was replying to at least.