556
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 03 Oct 2024
556 points (98.3% liked)
politics
19136 readers
4013 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
For most people what's familiar is easier to remember than what's simpler. Personally I find drag's comments difficult to parse. I'll respect drag's wishes regarding how drag wants to be referred to, but I expect drag's going to have a lot of friction even with very tolerant and accepting people if drag insists on that pronoun choice.
This video might be helpful for drag. I know the title is a bit clickbaity but I promise the person in the video is also tolerant and accepting.
Edit: I went through and replaced all instances of you/your with drag. I think this is illustrative of the problem with drag's approach. If everyone has to expend great effort simply to interact with drag in a respectful manner then that will lead to people becoming frustrated with drag. While drag's identity is entirely drag's business and no one else's, drag's insistence on a difficult/unfamiliar pronoun is a choice, and drag could make drag's life easier by loosening up.
Drag will watch the video, but drag wonders why the title uses a right wing name for the right wing, and a right wing name for the left wing. The video could use each side's name for themselves, or each side's name for the other side. But only using right wing terms makes it seem like the video has a right wing bias. Drag will still watch, but drag will do so with critical thinking.
I noticed that too when I first came across the video, but after becoming more familiar with this person's content I saw that they lean progressive/inclusive and the title is like that probably just for the sake of clickbait or because they're coming from a more centrist/liberal perspective and aren't as familiar with leftist terminology.
I still think their perspective as a linguist is worth hearing.
Drag finished watching the video pretty much. 3 minutes left and it seemed like she was winding down. Drag was already familiar with all the main content Jones covered. Drag thinks she's probably underestimating the knowledge of linguistics literacy on the left because she's from a more right leaning culture, where the "left wing" people local to that area are who would be considered moderates in other places. She used a right wing name for the left wing, so drag thinks she hasn't actually immersed herself in left wing political culture enough to understand it.
With regard to the argument that using new pronouns is hard, drag understands and already knew her arguments. But drag thinks Jones neglected to consider the impact of neuroplasticity. Adapting to neopronouns is a skill. People with lots of practice get it faster and with less effort. Drag's presence on Lemmy is challenging people and causing them to learn. Expanding minds. Just like the linguist with the N word pronouns. Drag picked new pronouns for this account as an experiment. Drag likes the new pronouns. Drag made revisions when an idea didn't work, and now drag sometimes uses drag/dragself pronouns in conversation with drag's friends and family off of Lemmy. They make drag feel dragony.
Drag's identity is a conversation.
EDIT: Also, drag just remembered Jones' point about misgendering trans people in conversation with people who know less. Well, drag has been in that situation. Drag was out to everyone and presenting full time, and even though drag's mother struggled with drag's pronouns, drag felt like she was finally getting it and understanding. She hadn't misgendered drag in nearly a year. Well, then drag overheard drag's mother in the next room he/him-ing drag to drag's elderly grandfather. And drag felt like shit. Drag's grandfather is in his 90s and he's an asshole. He's never going to accept drag. And drag had accepted that, and decided to just ignore him until he died. But when drag's mother, who had been making all that progress, he/him-ed drag to the grandfather, drag suddenly realised that drag didn't know if she had been misgendering drag behind drag's back all the time. Drag realised that drag would never be able to trust that she was actually making an effort to respect drag, or if she was just appeasing drag to drag's face. So drag moved out of home and cut contact with her. And drag is going to ignore her until she dies too. That's not the only reason for our bad relationship, but it was a point where everything crystallised and drag decided to stop making excuses for her.
I appreciate that drag took the time to watch the whole video and I think drag is probably right about Jones' cultural background, as it is similar to mine. I only meant to help make drag's life easier if that's something drag was having trouble with, but I respect that drag already understood the friction that drag's neopronoun creates and made an informed choice to use it on lemmy.
Also, nice Steven Universe clip. That's a show that helped me understand people like drag and is why I have the patience to engage with drag despite the very conservative cultural context I live in.
Drag is glad you understand drag's motivations now. Drag didn't pick these neopronouns with any kind of malice. Drag believes that all the people on Lemmy have the ability to be better than they were yesterday. Drag thinks it's just a matter of giving people situations in which they have the option to choose to grow and learn. Give people enough chances, and they'll turn out alright.
Drag is 9 minutes into the video and Jones is saying that using neopronouns is easier than people make it out to be. Drag agrees and drag told you so. Drag also already knew what a pronoun is. Drag has yet to encounter new information, apart from Zulu's 16 grammatical genders
If drag keeps watching the next point he makes is the exact inverse, namely that neopronouns are also harder than many people make them out to be. Specifically when he talks about the processing cost that is incurred by using even standard/traditional pronouns in certain ways. The parts of the video I thought would be most helpful are in his conclusion, so I do recommend watching to the end.
The part I believe is helpful starts at 15:10