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[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago

Nah dawg. Check my post history (don't actually), I've been advocating (and been getting heavily downvoted) for supporting third party candidates for years

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago

And you are no closer to accomplishing your goals....

There is a reason socialists in the US vote for the democratic party: we have influence in participation and have been granted concessions.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

My goal is to never vote for the Dems or Republicans after 2016 so thanks for telling me I'm no closer but I think I am.

Knowing that I've made that commitment to myself let's me vote for the candidates I actually want, without fear of "causing the worse of the two" to win

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago

Pretending a spoiler candidate has a chance of winning and getting zero percent of what you want doesn't make you more moral than the people who vote for the furthest left candidate with the ability to win and getting 5% of what you wanted.

We have an obligation and a moral duty to fight fascism at the ballot box. Voting for a fascists' spoiler because the spoiler pretends they are on your side is not strength on your part, it is cowardice.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml -5 points 3 weeks ago

We have an obligation and a moral duty to fight fascism at the ballot box

Nah the whole thing is a joke. The Dems are corrupt but the Republicans are worse, so I feel a moral obligation to support neither.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago

If you admit that Republicans are worse, than you have to admit that voting for spoiler candidates who help elected Republicans is the worse option than just voting democratic.

You can't admit that Republicans are worse than use what little political capital you have to help them while pretending you are more moral than those of us who vote democratic.

You are just sniffing your own farts and pretending you are better than those of us who you leave behind to actually make the decision to help as many we are given the ability to.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 weeks ago

Your point would make a lot more sense if the continuous "Dems vs Republicans" for decades didn't bring us to this point. But alas, we're in a bad spot where "this election" is the "most important" one yet. Yeah right lmao. Cya at the ballet box

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago

No, you won't see me at the ballot box. You will be getting high off the false morality injection voting for some dingbat gives you, while I will be trying to prevent a fascist with intentions of being a day one dictator from taking power.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

There's a few situations

  1. You like the current duopoly, perpetually vote Dems and accept Republicans will take office some terms

  2. You don't like the current duopoly, vote third party, and accept you're helping Republicans take office this term

If Republicans getting into office a few more terms means "the end of democracy" or "the end of X rights", democracy and x rights are already on their way out. If more people voting third party makes the dems push for ranked voting or adopt policies that will solve the perpetual voting issue, then that lays the groundwork for a democratic future.

See you at the ballot box.

[-] WamGams@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

If you think doing your part to make sure a fascist gets elected will gain you ranked choice voting, you are naive.

I don't believe you are that naive, nor do I believe you truly think that.

I think statements like that probably sound believable to 18 year old communists who haven't learned the word discernment yet.

There is a word for people who themselves are not fascist but regardless work to install fascism under the belief that they will personally benefit from it (as you do with thinking fascism is necessary to gain ranked choice).

That word is "fascist."

[-] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

So you’re the kind of person staring at a forest but all you can make out is a tree. I do imagine that kind of willful ignorance helps to comfort you. The reality is the best you will ever influence, while feigning ignorance to how things actually work, is a tree. Maybe one day you will open your eyes and recognize the potential influence for change you could have harnessed if your kind attempted to constructively change things within the constraints we were born into rather than cutting off the face of your allies while being or feigning ignorance in reality.

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 weeks ago

Nah I'm the kind of person who realizes a constant vote for the "lesser evil" is a slow slip into facism, and I would rather rip off the bandaid instead.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 3 weeks ago

Nah I’m the kind of person who realizes a constant vote for the “lesser evil” is a slow slip into facism, and I would rather rip off the bandaid instead.

"I want fascism as fast as possible" is a hell of a take, but one that seems frighteningly common amongst .ml users.

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