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[-] paperplane@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Swift fits the description too

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Most people would consider it so, but it actually does not either fulfill the argument I posed there: https://forums.swift.org/t/what-language-is-more-memory-safe-swift-or-rust/31987

[-] paperplane@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Swift does have data race safety as of Swift 6 with their actor-based concurrency model and are introducing noncopyable types/a more sophisticated ownership model over the next few releases

[-] Ephera@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Hmm, that sounds quite interesting. But because I've had to rebut that for everyone else that responded: Is it opt-in?

I guess, I would be fine with opt-in for the actor pattern, since you either do actors in your whole codebase or you don't, but otherwise, opt-in often defeats the point of safety measures...

[-] paperplane@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

It's opt-in in Swift 5 mode and opt-out in Swift 6 mode, the Swift 6 compiler supports both modes though and lets you migrate a codebase on a module-by-module basis.

Agree that opt-in sort of defeats the point, but in practice it's a sort of unavoidable compromise (and similar to unsafe Rust there will always be escape hatches)

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