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This guy is calling international war crimes as "a valid and legal military strategy".
"The starvation and mass killing of civilians in the Warsaw Ghetto is a legitimate strategy" - This guy.
"We need to put the Jews in gas chambers to differentiate between civilians and combatants."
This guy.
What do you think is going on whenever Ukraine hits the Kerch Birdge? They're trying to cut Russia off from supply. Do you think this is a war crime? Or do you define war crime as "everything Israel does"?
Unless you have tangible evidence of Ukrainians denying vital aid and food to Russians, slaughtering civilians en masses like they're currently doing in Jabalia, routine executions of journalists to silence the ongoing atrocities, and so much more; this comparison of yours is not valid.
I'm not here to do google searches for you. There have been numerous Ukrainian attacks on the Kerch Bridge and on Russian supply ships to Crimea. And this isn't some accusation of Ukraine trying to commit genocide, it's a recognition of Ukraine being in a war, and this is how wars have been fought for thousands of years.
People who don't hate Israel and are desperately redefining the word genocide understand this. It would be different if Israel prevented civilians from leaving and let them starve along with Hamas. But read the article, that's not the case. They are trying to get civilians out of the area. And even if the rumours prove to be true, the "General's Plan" (which is actually a discussion from retired generals, not active duty military) the plan says that civilians that refuse to leave could do so when they run out of food. Hamas can surrender when they run out of food.
I have doubts that this will even happen because I have serious doubts that it would even work. Hamas are just the kind of assholes that would stockpile a year's supply of rations in their underground lairs while the people they claim to be protecting go hungry. But if it did work, it would significantly reduce the number of civilian casualties (since they could leave the area) which is what we all want, right? Right?
When you pose extraordinary theories, they need extraordinary evidence to back up. You literally are here to do those searches, otherwise you can be dismissed as a lunatic. And that's exactly what you are if you cannot distinguish between starving an entire city and destroying bridges and weapons of an occupying hostile power.
You attribute people calling out Israel for crimes against humanity as "haters", you deny that a genocide is happening. You don't know anything about the conflict, its history and why an order by the Israeli military saying "leave your homes you have 10 days" is not "a humanitarian outreach to get civilians out" and is instead a landgrab of huge proportions.
No, you're just here to promote false narratives to misdirect and outright deny the atrocities committed by a terrorist-genocidal state. If you're going to make a point. You should learn to back it up.
You mean by directing them to leave and then attacking the routes out of the area as they are attempting to leave?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_Palestinians_evacuating_Gaza_City
Or attacking those who successfuly fled once they reached the destination Israel told them to go to?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-strike-on-school-sheltering-displaced-gazans-kills-at-least-80-palestinian-officials-say
Or in Lebanon where they directed people to leave, in the middle of the night, with 30 minutes warning:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israels-airstrike-warnings-terrify-lebanese-civilians-and-draw-criticism-from-rights-groups
And then, as in Gaza, attacking those who are attempting to flee as ordered.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/10/07/lebanon-israeli-strikes-impede-fleeing-civilians-aid
Spoiler alert. It isn't. You have no idea what you're talking about. They aren't interdicting military supply convoys or shelling artillery depots. You absolutely cannot cut food off from civilians. It doesn't matter if they don't want to move. You have to let the food go through.
Yes we do. USAID let the cat out of the bag.
I understand you dearly want Israel to be a lawful liberal democracy. But it just isn't.
In Article 49, the Fourth Geneva Convention, adopted on 12 August 1949, specifically forbade forced displacement: Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.
(Short excerpt of the long section clarifying that it’s a war crime)
Always nice to have the reference up, I usually just work off my memory.
They are moving civilians out of the area. You seemingly are missing that part. So no, they are not cutting off food from civilians.
Yeah that's not for USAID to decide, and any report where an agency is overstepping it's purview is suspect. If they're pushing for a policy change beyond the scope of their department, then they can't really be trusted to not fudge things to try to influence things further. They're behaving unprofessionally to gain power they aren't supposed to have and you can't trust them to behave professionally when gathering information.
USAID is literally the agency responsible for humanitarian aid, (HA), in the US government. They are our experts on HA getting where it's supposed to go. If they are saying it's not getting there because Israel is playing fuck fuck games, then that is not only an expert opinion, but also enough under the Leahy Laws to immediately freeze all military or cash aid.
Expelling 400k people might be spinned as "getting civilians out of a combat area" if Israel were not a state that systematically settles conquered land (to the tune of 700k settlers in the West Bank) and if its government didn't have ministers (on whom the ruling coalition depends to stay in power) that are explicitly saying that they want to do exactly this again.
Like, bro, who the fuck do you think is reading these things you write? Umpa Loompas from Jupiter?
Honestly, it's like a well known organ trafficker is saying trust me bro, I'm putting you in this ice bath and giving you this sedative and prepping these surgery tools because I'm trying to remove a tumor from next to your kidneys.
This is the framing of information warfare. There are no facts, no truths, only "narratives" that are deployed by adversarial actors.
In such a framing, it doesn't matter whether the IDF ordering the displacement of 400k people is legal, legitimate, suspect, in good faith or in furtherance of ethnic cleansing. All that matters is whose narrative dominates the information space.
This framing already gives up on debate. Your response does not refute anything I wrote, does not engage with anything. You just labelled my argument a terrorist narrative and you're done. You've counterbalanced the "narrative".
But, my brother in Lemmy, even we were to accept that Hamas is saying this for this reason, can't you see that it's based on exactly the legitimate fear and reasonable expectation of Palestinian civilians that Israel is NOT a trustworthy, humanitarian actor here? The Hamas propaganda would not have a leg to stand on if it weren't for 30 years of illegal settlement in the West Bank and for the Israeli governing coalition not being dependent on the fascist right.
I don't even think Alex Jones could misinterpret the news this badly. At some point isn't misinterpreting the same as spreading misinformation?