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Russian Su-34 supersonic fighter-bomber shot down by F-16: reports
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You don't spend excessive logistics on a "morale booster". Then, those morale boosters would get shot down in no time and it would have both the strain on the logistics, and the opposite effect for morale. It's an old plane that's not useful on modern battlefields. Get Ukraine what they need - long range rockets and permission to use them how they want. Get them more fighter jets. Get them more artillery. Don't send trash.
We do though.
Look into the ice cream ships.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_cream_barge
To your point, Ukraine lacks resources for both Ice cream and bbbrrrrrtttt.
They are fighting for their freedom.
Point to where exactly it says now, it doesn't right?
So your point is any planning is futile, you must be a proper strategic genius.
Dude you bring up a curiosity in a different situation, time and war, economy and scale. Ukraine doesn't have countless factories pumping out fighter jets to be able to dedicate those to making spare parts for an obsolete airframe. No amount of morale is worth it when you cannot supply the soldiers with what they need. Imagine ice cream barges going through the pacific when most of the US carriers would be on the bottom of the ocean with no more comming. It would be a laughable waste of resources.
You said we don't waste logistics on militarily useless morale boosters. Clearly the us does as do most militaries, good cas is well worth every penny. CAS that scares the shit out of your enemy and raises your troops spirits is even better.
It's never been a forward weapon, it was never meant to be. No one is suggesting to send it now they're saying it may be useful to ship pilots and get them started training and as far as I'm aware that's wrapped into funding.
A10's aren't "good CAS". They are a hog on logistics, expensive, the gun isn't worth it anymore and the job can be done in 300 other, more efficient ways. It's a white elephant and nothing more, there is a reason they are getting retired.
There's more reason they've been trying to retire then since before many people here were born and yet haven't been. Troops love them, armchair strategists that have been saying they aren't worth the money don't. Who should I care about more I wonder.
Ideally, people should try to get them Jas-39 Gripen with MBDA Meteor missiles to back up the F-16 fleet.
Currently, the situation seems to be: F-16 pilots are still inexperienced and their missiles are outranged by some missiles that a Su-35 could be carrying (e.g. R-77M with 190 km range). When a Su-34 (fighter-bomber) conducts glide bombing runs from a distance of 40 km, a Su-35 (air superiority fighter) typically provides it air cover. Under such conditions, it's a difficult task for an F-16 pilot to fire an AMRAAM at the bomber (at best 180 km range) and evade counter-fire from the fighter. Fortunately they've got shiny new ECM pods and hopefully Russian planes haven't got decent radars.
However, a plane with longer range weapons (Meteor can fly for 200 km) would deter even a fighter escort of the Su-34, and likely end glide bombing as a tactic.
Alternatively, one can hope that the actual range of AMRAAM exceeds the advertised range or the actual range of R-77M falls short of advertised range - or that they have better radars, or can somehow backport Meteor to F-16, or that their ECM can beat the electronics of R-77. However, as far as I'm aware, firing an AMRAAM from maximum range needs a really big target (actual bomber, not a fighter-bomber).
Either way, good to hear it happened. :) If it happens more, it might finally deter glide bombing. So far, air defense ambushes have also temporarily deterred it and drones have struck airfields where the Su-34 planes get equipped, but nothing has stopped it for long.