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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This shit is so fucking stupid....

People ask why Kamala is so far right on so many issues compared to the Dem voter base...

And rather than say "yeah, I can't provide a valid reason she keeps going to the right", we keep getting these posts about how it doesn't matter?

Imagine if Kamala's line was just to the right of yours, whatever you care most about, she's just going to agree with trump on.

And when you go around, asking why you aren't important enough to be on Kamala's side of the line, everyone told you to stop being a baby and be happy with what you get, even tho what you want isn't included in her platform

Like, we don't gain votes by supporting a genocide.

We don't gain votes from a border wall and Trump's other border policies Kamala adopted.

Shit. Just being pro-fracking is going to lose us PA, and trump can't win the election without PA.

That one fucking issue that not a single person can explain why she holds. That's all it would take to prevent trump.

But instead of using your time productively to try and get Kamala to change while there's still time...

You want to shit on the people the party left behind?

Like this doesn't even seem like trying to bully them into voting anymore, you're punching down on these people constantly and gleefully....

You're acting exactly like a fucking trump supporter.

TLDR:

The people trying to pull Kamala left are the ones helping Kamala

You're trying to do the same thing Hillary supporters tried to do in 2016....

Do you honestly not remember how that worked out?

Or is this all intentional?

[-] hobovision@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

Posting memes on lemmy won't change Kamala's positions or strategies, but convincing "both sides" lemmy users how important it is to pick the better of two options could change things. Every time the left-leaning party loses due to lack of turnout (aka punishing them for not being left enough) they move right instead of left. The only way to move the country left is to do whatever you can to get the most left-leaning viable candidate elected. Over time this pushes the whole electorate left.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

The only way to move the country left is to do whatever you can to get the most left-leaning viable candidate elected. Over time this pushes the whole electorate left.

The last Dem president before neoliberalism was Jimmy Carter like 50 years ago

Would you say that the current strategy has paid off?

If not, how many more decades before we start thinking the people running the party are at best idiots who shouldn't be running a lemonade stand?

[-] hobovision@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago

I agree with you, what we've been doing hasn't worked. Allowing Reagan and Bush and Bush and Trump to get elected hasn't helped anyone. You could argue Nader got GWB elected but cheating and the Supreme Court were a big part of that too. How different would our current politics be if we had a term or two of Gore instead of Bush? Hard to say. Maybe primary voters wouldn't have felt like they needed to pick a "safe" neolib over a demsoc in 2016 if they could believe he'd be viable.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Maybe primary voters wouldn’t have felt like they needed to pick a “safe” neolib over a demsoc in 2016 if they could believe he’d be viable.

You think primary voters had a say in 2016 still?

Clinton's primary campaign was literally running the DNC during that primary, it's not some secret and it was 8 years ago...

You really never heard?

I can find a link if you need to, it was very well documented.

Edit:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/

Went ahead and linked it, because the people who pulled that shit are still the ones running DNC and Kamala's campaign. Shits not going to get better as long as people like this run the party.

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