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Many ancient and indigenous societies were able to function very efficiently with a communist government, I don't see why Laos, Cuba, Vietnam, and Venezuela's attempts have been so terrible in the way that they are completely authoritarian. The Iroquois Nations's democratic government was basically the foundation of the US's democratic government, and they were also a communist society. So I see many examples of primitive communism being able to function. I even found out about an Indian state called Perula that is also a successful comminist state. I don't see why we can't make communism and socialism work out in countries like Laos, Cuba, Vietnam, and Venezuela. Forgive me if anything I said is wrong.

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[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

It's neither and it's both. Don't speak from ignorance.

[-] housepanther@lemmy.goblackcat.com -2 points 1 year ago

I don't speak from ignorance. I went to college and had classes in this. Communism and government are mutually exclusive. It just so happens that the USSR was a plutocratic government with a nominally communist economic model. It's wholly possible to have a non-authoritarian government with a communist model, it just has yet to be successfully implemented. This is one of the reasons why I am now an anarcho-communist. I despise government and authority in all of its iterations.

[-] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

The USSR was “nominally” communist? And you claim to educated in Marxism? What a ridiculous comment that shows you clearly have absolutely no education on Marxism or the USSR. If you “despise government and authority”, well, all I can say to you is good luck with any revolution. To claim to be communist while rejecting authority is a most ridiculous position. And, to think revolutions occur without revolutionary governments and the authority of that government is nothing but ahistorical and historically revisionist

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I don't care what you despise and no one else does either.

Communism is NOT an economic model, it is an abstract totalizing social system negatively defined by the lack of three system structures: it lacks classes (differentiated relations to the means of production), it lacks money, and it lacks a state. That's what communism is. It isn't an economic model nor an economic system.

Economics is an emergent property of totalizing social systems, not a separate that phenomenon that can be mixed and matches with other things. The economic forms that will emerge from communism are locked from us because we don't have any empirical examples to study. We have some theories of specific economic forms, but most serious communist theorists understand that trying to imagine what economic forms might arise is worse than useless.

You may have studied this in uni, but you have a long way to go before you understand what actually happened in history and what the prevailing understanding of theory was then and now.

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