116
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2024
116 points (99.2% liked)
chapotraphouse
13484 readers
896 users here now
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Vaush posts go in the_dunk_tank
Dunk posts in general go in the_dunk_tank, not here
Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from the_dunk_tank
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
have you met an American liberal??
a lot of US liberals who backed Bernie were actually serious about the 'or bust' and jumped ship from the Democrats after. I've worked with, organized with, and even been roommates with some of them, amounting to a pretty good number just in my personal bubbles. A bunch of them are even communists now. And even more have been going that route since, including hugely now over this genocide in Palestine, which is seeing also mass sustained protests even outside of the Democratic Convention, which is happening alongside many defections. Liberalism is in the water from birth; most US communists on HB were once US liberals. It is the default slate before any other input. Saying liberals can never be convinced is demonstrably false because you're speaking contradictory negations about the literal experiences of many people on this very web site. It also doesn't serve the expanding of class consciousness or construction of socialist movement building to hold and push that idea, which I've seen many times on this site, which makes me laugh when I know it is coming from a US person who was, in all likelihood, a liberal just a few years before making such comments.
It can be done. Don't expect all the brain worms to leave though. New comrades and old will all make errors and as long as someone is on the side of the angels we should be kind and give space where possible. Heck it is in theory possible that even I, the one true leftist, will make an ideological error.