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And yet they never seem to want to move to china or russia.
You know nothing about us
then hurry up lol
they always larp about how much they want to move to these countries, but never do, and they're well within their finances to do so. But then they can't be progressive lol
I know of at least one Hexbear who has moved to China.
Allow me to make an analogy: Millions of left-liberals in the United States hold up Canada as a model country that they would like to live in, yet comparatively few (perhaps 1 in 1000) ever make the move.
Does that prove that those liberals are insincere in their admiration, that they secretly consider Canada to be a "shithole" country and only pretend otherwise for the sake of political posturing? No! It's because permanently immigrating to any country is extremely difficult at best, and frequently impossible.
Countries do not just give out citizenship to people who ask politely. It usually requires some kind of employer sponsorship. Think of the millions of people who literally live in the United States right now and want citizenship but can't get it.
Now take all of those difficulties involved in a move across the border to Canada and multiply them by at least two, and you have some idea of the practical barriers to moving to a place like China, a country much farther away with a much different language which gives out fewer employer sponsorships.
You can find more answers in our recent discussion of the topic here.
Why are you linking threads that we can't post on? Are you stupid?
Also, here's something to put a fold into your otherwise smooth brain. Why is it that liberals are the only political position that routinely gives rights and recognition to minorities, for example, the civil rights movement and recognition of queer identity? The authoritarians that you jizz yourself over have absolutely no incentive to ever recognise such groups, in fact, they routinely oppress them because being a minority is a threat in such shitholes.
"No, I want to ruin my country!"
No why would they do that
They need a Holiday in Cambodia
Cambodia is awesome, a holiday there would really be a great idea
“Gotta say, I’ve noticed how many people are dressed in black around here…”
Bold of you to assume Lemmygrad isn't already Russian
Nah, lemmygrad is 100 percent American.
Just a coincidence they spontaneously parrot all of Putin's talking points?
Nah, I'm not saying they're all Russian, but they're clearly compromised somewhere. A lot of somewheres.
I totally understand the reasoning behind thinking it's state actors or certain members being shills--But there's not much to gain for governments to shill in niche, extremist communities. Why shill your loyal followers when they parrot everything already? Instead, it's much more effective to use large, mainstream social media websites, like Twitter, Reddit or Facebook, just check out anything politically trending to see the shills and contrast them with these users.
It is true, these small communities do swallow up state propaganda without much thought, but they aren't shills. Most are just lonely people who hate everything and themselves.
I think it's fairly important to remember that Hexbear/Lemmygrad are basically why Lemmy exists, and largely emigrated after the Reddit Chapo ban, at least as far as I understand things.
They weren't entirely niche communities at first, and now they're the most active communities on Lemmy, which may or may not grow into something bigger, but most importantly they've inherited the damage the used to have.
I mean, have you ever listened to ChapoTrapHouse? They were pretty solidly democratic socialist. Something happened to that community to turn it into Hexbear. It could have been natural, but their messaging is just so consistent it seems unlikely.
They never looked dem soc to me as they advocated liberally for the venezuelan militia to murder venezuelans protesting the socialist dictatorship and parroted Venezuela's government party line to anyone that cared to listen
Was never a big fan of the dirtbag left angle, so I'm afraid I'll have to take your word for it.
Guys, this is fascinating as it’s all new to me. But if you’re having this discussion for the public you should be linking specific examples when you can.
I don’t know whether to believe what you’re saying or not.
They’re what the Soviet Union referred to as “useful idiots”. They parrot Russian propaganda because they like the aesthetics. They aren’t all Russians themselves. In fact, I would be willing to bet most aren’t.