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[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 96 points 1 year ago

The old federation is dying, the new one struggles to be born. Now is the time of unlimited China struggle sessions.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

China has massive demographic problems stemming from decades of the one child policy.

So the "new federation" is just going to be made up of mostly elderly Chinese (because of the one child policy) and elderly Russians because the young people died fighting in Putin's stupid war or left before they could be drafted.

Yes comrade, the future will be run by elderly fascist federation LOL.

Fascism is a self-destructive thing, we're seeing it happening in Russia, and we're starting to see the signs of China's fascist regime (ironically called a Communist Party) self-destructing.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 68 points 1 year ago

For the second time I beg of you please pin down what a fascism is

you just said two countries with completely different economic and political systems are both doing a fascism

please what is it

[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

Fascism is when enemy country

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

Fascism is me no likey

[-] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Fascism is a vibe, bro, and they just give off that vibe.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

They're a NAFO Canadian who probably has a OUN great-grandfather lmao. They know exactly what fascism means.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

They let NAFOs in here? Gross.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago

What the fuck are you on about? I'm talking about the lemmyverse/federation.

countdown

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

idk if youve read any of the papers on AI research coming out of china like i have (i translated them from mandarin to english), but they have little concern for the economics of this, the CPC's goals are to increase automation so less people output more, and have been doing so in the construction sector at a breakneck pace. china recently built the world's largest hoover-like arch dam in four years (which would usually take 12-16 years in other countries with modern standards), and plans to reduce it even more down to two years, all while cutting the number of people working on the project. theyre basically '3d printing' dams by having robotic cement trucks act as extruders and have automated sensors that determine the density of concrete to insure safety. workplace accidents are very down as well.

also idk if you know this, but china is increasing reliability and durability of appliances and making it easier to hotswap factories from different types of production easier in order to meet public demands for goods. theyre really a powerhouse scientifically, and are focusing on far more important issues than the west are

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

also to further compare to the hoover dam, this produces 62 terawatt hours of electricity per year while the hoover dam produces 5 terawatt hours. should be noted that the hoover dam was built in 5 years and had around 200 deaths during construction too. so theyre able to exceed a literal breakneck murderous pace of construction from the 1930s with no reported major injuries via automation while producing 12 times as much power.

[-] Flinch@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

do you mean the one child policy that ethnic minorities were explicitly exempt from? or is there another one child policy you made up to support your position?

[-] geikei@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even if China's demographic issues are as big as dumbass clickbait YT vids and reddit comments make it out to be that would still put China in the demographic position of SK a couple of decades ago. S. Korea quintupled industrial production between 1992-2010 and their productivity rose x6 while it's factory workforce dropped 25%. It's all about education, tech, and productivity. More important than the aggregate Chinese population is the technically proficient,college educated, Chinese population. That has grown 20-fold, or by 2,000%, in the past 40 years and will continue to grow due to the hundreds of millions of untapped rural population despite the decline in population.

So point is, economy is still growing. The plan has always been to create self-sustaining growth in exports to the Global South with BRI infrastructure + productivity leap at home. Both of those aspects show great success. Exports and imports to the GS are expanding and the entire SEA is brought in the sphere of Chinese digital economy. The "greater China" economy includes another billion people in SE and Central Asia.China is getting 2x to 8x productivity leaps with AI/5G apps in industry/mining/logistics.

And all that is assuming China cant and will not tackle demographic issues in any other manners

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

China has massive demographic problems stemming from decades of the one child policy.

Yea that can easily be fixed after I move there dw about it kid

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

You can lose half your working population if your workers can be more than twice as productive... which they can, given advancements in automation. That's why South Korea, Singapore, Japan, and Germany punch above their weight despite also running headfirst into demographic collapse.

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