It's more dishonest to pretend such cases don't exist, it annoys me so much when people act like public transport is a magical solution to everything because I've relied on it a lot and there are so many issues to fix - for a start you have to address how dangerous it is, I don't like getting a night bus and I'm a scruffy male manual labourer - which cities would you want your 18yo daughter travelling across on bus and light rail at 11pm? Or you elderly mother?

Then there's the logistics, if I was going to visit eight people at home and had to get the bus between them then travel to and from the bus stop, waiting, changing bus and waiting again... Most of my day would be on the bus compared to a small percentage of it in a car if that was used instead. And yes you can say jobs like that shouldn't exist if you don't care about other people, just chuck the elderly, disabled and vulnerable people into a home and forget about them, who cares if women can't live normal lives let them stay at home if they want to be safe! All that matters is it's now cool to hate cars

I wasn't complaining about driving - just saying that carless isn't always an option.

So it's their fault your argument didn't work as expected because their job requires driving?