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[-] Catsrules@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

I hate ads as much as the next guy, but without ads get ready to start paying for things. You go to a news website, sorry you need to login and hand over your credit card to access anything. Youtube? Sorry you need to login and pay up to watch anything. You want to Google,Bing, Duckduckgo something sorry you better pay up can't sell you data to advertisers anymore.

Not saying this is necessarily a bad thing but it will fundamentally change how the internet works and it potentially could limit informational access to poor people.

[-] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I brought this up the last time I talked about this, but to be clear, if we must choose between advertisements and paywall, then we should choose advertisements as the lesser evil. However, we must never accept the fallacy that advertising or paywalls are the only possible choices! More generally, we must never accept the fallacy that a market is the only acceptable way to distribute goods, a corollary of which is the idea that any acceptable solution needs to compete on equal terms with existing products in a market.

Not saying this is necessarily a bad thing but it will fundamentally change how the internet works and it potentially could limit informational access to poor people.

Well the first part at least would be a welcome change. The issue in my view is the very fact that poor people are treated as second-class citizens in information access or any other field of endeavor.

Youtube? Sorry you need to login and pay up to watch anything. You want to Google,Bing, Duckduckgo something sorry you better pay up can't sell you data to advertisers anymore.

I very genuinely want those sites to fucking die so I don't have to coexist in a world where they dominate the internet. I would be literally thrilled to join a group of like-minded people who have to reimplement the conveniences of the modern web from scratch for free.

[-] Catsrules@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Still end of the day the server bill has got to be paid.

[-] blackbrook@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why on earth is a paywall an evil and worse than ads? This idea that everything on the Internet needs to be free-as-in-beer is the toxicity that has resulted in our entire world corrupted with ads. A News organization needs money to pay journalists and to send them to where news is happening. A video service like YouTube needs to pay for massive amounts of storage and servers. If you want quality professional content, and not just fake blogging thinly disguising advertising, you need to pay writers.

The alternative is that is it all corrupted with ads, or by the "rich uncle" of the day like a musk or a zuckerberg or whatever with an ulterior motive.

If you want the provider of a service or product to be beholden and at all responsive to you, as a user, rather than someone else, you need to be a customer, a paying customer. That's your only real leverage. If someone else is the real source of their revenue stream then their every act is geared to please them and not you. That's what we have now.

If you want to socialize it all instead, like a PBS, I'm fine with that, but good luck.

[-] clumsyninza@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

And who is to be blamed for setting up this system ?

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