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The problem with "both sides" arguments is you tacitly admitting your side is wrong when you do that.
Yeah sure the US shouldn't have done those things in the past. But these are past grievances, which is the cornerstone of fascist thinking. "Our present day horrible actions are justified because of the horrible things others have done in the past!"
Whatever US and any other NATO members did wrong in the past doesn't make what Russia is doing today right.
Also, why should Ukrainians suffer so that Russia can expand their empire?
I have no doubt about the ability of fascists to go on and on about past grievances. But what grievance do you have with Ukraine specifically?
Why should ukranians suffer so that the us can expand its empire?
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You clearly didn't read the Lenin book I linked and, by seeing your activity in here, you are close to the ban.
So I just want to say that is so fucking funny that you think that the passing of time exonerates USA from their crimes. I mean, how much time has to pass? They are still putting children in cages, invading countries, having the highest incarcerated population, making coups in foreign countries, etc.
But let's follow your logic, and let's wait a few years. That way all the Russian crimes will be just past grievances.
Let's just do that.
Fascist idiot
It was wrong for the US to coup Ukraine's government, but also wrong for Russia to intervene to stop the coup government from killing civilians after like 8 years, got it.
The people of Ukraine got tired of being a Russian puppet state and removed Putin's crony. The instant they did that Russia started taking territory from Ukraine.
You're weird little narrative only works if you believe that Ukrainians don't have a right to self determination and believe they shouldn't have sovereignty over their land. This is simply Russian neocolonialism, Russian imperialism, and Russian Fascism.
the pre-maidan government was not a puppet. europe and russia were both courting ukraine for her resources and president what's his ass took the better deal that putin offered. if that makes it a puppet government, what does that make the coup government where the US picked high ranking officials?
Your weird little narrative only works if you believe the denizens of Crimea and Donbas don't have a right to self determination and sovereignty over their own land.
Neocolonialism isn't just "colonialism happening today". Neocolonialism is what the west is doing having Ukraine sell off its land and industries in bulk to foreign capitalists via privatization.
Bud I'm begging you read one serious academic text analyzing the rise and system of fascism, before you do something embarrassing like call indigenous people complaining about what the US has done to them fascists for airing past grievances.