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It's funny when armchair experts insist that the fediverse won't catch on because "federation is too hard to understand" when arguably the most widespread communication system on the internet follows the same model

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 32 points 14 hours ago

Yeah and then google+microsoft rolled in and killed the decentralized nature of email with gmail and outlook.

Only sign left of the good ol days is merged accounts with @ old domain names and the few that self host.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

It's not really like they were evil about it though. Google attracted customers through its huge (at the time) 1 GB email storage space, which at the time, was unbelievably generous and also impressive in that it was offered for free. Outlook (Hotmail at the time) also drew in customers by offering the service for free, anywhere in the world, without needing to sign up for Internet service. Remember, at the time, e-mail was a service that was bundled with your Internet service provider.

Into the mid-2000s and 2010s, the way that Gmail and Outlook kept customers was through bundle deals for enterprise customers and improvements to their webmail offerings. Gmail had (and arguably, still has) one of the best webmail clients available anywhere. Outlook was not far behind, and it was also usually bundled with enterprise Microsoft Office subscriptions, so most companies just decided, "eh, why not". The price (free) and simplicity is difficult to beat. It was at that point that Microsoft Outlook (the mail client, not the e-mail service) was the "gold standard" for desktop mail clients, at least according to middle-aged office workers who barely knew anything about e-mail to begin with. Today, the G-Suite, as it is called, is one of the most popular enterprise software suites, perhaps second only to Microsoft Office. Most people learned how to use e-mail and the Internet in the 2000s and 2010s through school or work.

You have to compare the offerings of Google and Microsoft with their competitors. AOL mail was popular but the Internet service provided by the same company was not. When people quit AOL Internet service, many switched e-mail providers as well, thinking that if they did not maintain their AOL subscription, they would lose access to their mailbox as well.

Google and Microsoft didn't "kill" the decentralised e-mail of yesteryear. They beat it fair and square by offering a superior product. If you're trying to pick an e-mail service today, Gmail and Outlook are still by far the best options in terms of ease of use, free storage, and the quality of their webmail clients. I would even go so far as to say that the Gmail web client was so good that it single-handedly killed the desktop mail client for casual users. I think that today, there are really only three legitimate players left if you're a rational consumer who is self-interested in picking the best e-mail service for yourself: Proton Mail if you care a lot about privacy, and Gmail or Outlook if you don't.

[-] unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 hours ago

Google and Microsoft didn't "kill" the decentralised e-mail of yesteryear. They beat it fair and square

Sure, they might've cornered the market fair and square, but they're certainly doing anticompetitive things in keeping it cornered.

Just try setting up a mail server not connected to any of the big corpos (Google, MS, Cloudflare or their clients with more niche marketing) and see who will actually recieve your mails. You most likely won't land into the Spam folder either.

[-] Flatfire@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

It is also worth considering that yes, MS and Google have definitely dominated the market through superior products, but the standards they've pushed for and established have also made it difficult for other players to enter. If we wanted to say that the federated nature of email is dead, I think that's a fair argument still.

Hosting your own email server is quite difficult. You have to jump through a lot of hoops to land in anyone's mailbox without assistance. If you want to make a mailing list, you basically need to use a mailing service, lest you get blacklisted by major systems owned by MS and Google. Much of this is a byproduct of spam, by which I don't blame Google and MS for doing their best to protect against, but at the same time they have more or less neutered some core aspects of what made email accessible.

[-] 1371113@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

Nice to see someone else was around when the lore was written :D

In NZ instead of AOL it was xtra and Paradise.

[-] menemen@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago

@yahoo.com is still somewhat popular among us old farts.

[-] jia_tan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

Among us 😳📮

[-] Leg@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago

I would be one of you if they didn't purge my accounts years ago. The trust will never return.

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