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More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

In solidarity with the Palestinians who agree with you but not the Palestinians who don't, apparently. Their opinions are irrelevant.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -5 points 13 hours ago

I work in solidarity with all Palestinians, but that does not mean I agree with or do work in agreement with the opinions of every Palestinian. That is the tokenizing logic I am referring to.

Palestinians are not a monolith. Please stop treating them as one. They are real, actual people.

And the Palestinians who signed this letter - which was not just signed by Palestinians - are relevant. Unfortunately their relevance in this instance is in a display of party loyalty and in favor of a candidate doing genocide, and it is not coincidental that they drew from NGOs and party insiders to curate the signatories.

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

There is a Palestinian owned grocery store here, with attached restaurant, that acts as a hub for their community here. Some are not going to vote, but the great majority are Kamala is not good for Palestine, but Trump is completely unacceptable to Palestine, every Muslim outside of the richest oil producers, and every Muslim in the US. So they are begrudgingly voting for Kamala. These people are not politically well connected, most are laborers, a handful are business owners, and white collar workers. Why do they do this if they aren't politically connected, not in NGOs, etc.?

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 hours ago

This is the opposite of my experience in Palestinian spaces in the US, including at community centers and community organizations. There have been some people attempting to organize support for Harris, but they have been shut down and signs against Harris put up. Of course among very politically engaged left groups of Palestinians the sentiment is 100% anti-Harris, but that is not representative. Both of these sentiments are things from across several states, including cities with large Palestinian populations. Also, to be clear, not all Palestinians are Muslim. These spaces are also not exclusively muslim. There are Palestinian Christians with this same trend.

Why do they do this if they aren’t politically connected, not in NGOs, etc.?

Palestinians are not a monolith, of course. They will have diverse opinions.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago

And the Palestinians who signed this letter - which was not just signed by Palestinians - are relevant.

I thought acknowledging their opinion was participating tokenism that gives a green light to genocide.

Interesting how you've suddenly changed your tune. Especially after that absolutely pathetic attempt to imply that I'm a racist for considering their opinion to be valid with your Latino comparison.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -5 points 13 hours ago

I thought acknowledging their opinion was participating tokenism that gives a green light to genocide.

You are very confused. My critique of the letter and the class character of its signatories is already a recognition of it.

You have offered nothing but a series of bad faith attacks and lies. And in service of trying to undermine someone telling you to oppose genocide and not support genociders. Please do some introspection.

Interesting how you've suddenly changed your tune.

I have been consistent.

Especially after that absolutely pathetic attempt to imply that I'm a racist for considering their opinion to be valid with your Latino comparison.

You are very confused and clearly did not understand that. I don't think it was confusjnglu written, though. Feel free to ask questions.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Sure. Confused. Didn't understand this:

Imagine if you saw a headline and letter that read, “Latinos sign letter urging lower wages for Latinos” and it was just signed by a bunch of CEOs. Would you go around telling people that if they want higher wages for Latinos, they know better than Latinos? Would you pretend this is a representative group? Would you go around demanding lower pay?

This totally wasn't you saying I'm taking a bigoted view of Palestinians and demonstrating it by showing me what it would look like if I was talking about Latinos.

I may be an idiot, but I'm not that stupid.

You're just a troll and this conversation is over.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml -2 points 12 hours ago

This totally wasn't you saying I'm taking a bigoted view of Palestinians and demonstrating it by showing me what it would look like if I was talking about Latinos.

I know what I said with my Latino Ceos for Lower Latino Wages toy example but I still have trouble understanding how this is calling you racist.

The point of the example is that this letter is tokenizing PR. It does not represent Palestinians. One reason for this is the absurdity of trying to treat Palestinians are a homogenous group, which is implicit in the responses to this. The purpose of this letter is for Dem campaigns to be able to weaponize Palestinian identity to say, "look Palestinians support us!" Nevermind that it is a handful and they are basically all party insiders and the heads of NGOs.

The example of Latino CEOs is for you to focus on the tokenization and how you would spot it in a different context. Tokenization of an ethnicity is inherently racist, sure, the only conclusion here is that if you think the Latino CEO actions I provided questions for were racist, you should also think that tokenizing Palestinians in service of a genocidal candidate is racist.

I may be an idiot, but I'm not that stupid.

Okay well your interpretation was incorrect or at least there is nothing unfair in what I said.

You're just a troll and this conversation is over.

Well bye then, I guess.

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