165
Ask the Kamala voters in your life
(hexbear.net)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 27 Oct 2024
165 points (86.3% liked)
chapotraphouse
13511 readers
1142 users here now
Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Vaush posts go in the_dunk_tank
Dunk posts in general go in the_dunk_tank, not here
Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from the_dunk_tank
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
Newacctidk's sister is right. One can have principles and still live in the real world. Dooming the Palestinians AND hundreds of other groups is called being callous, not principled.
A large flaw in Hexbear's dialogue is that it does not regard outsiders ignorance. Hexbear is mostly an insider group where established axioms and knowledge are shared as common knowledge, and therefore not entirely elaborated. It isn't a substitute for dialogue, but becomes an echo chamber - fine in its own right - and stifles understanding of right and wrong to "vibes".
We should know, intellectually and not only emotionally, why your assumption and the human rights attorney's assumption are flawed.
Your assumption should lead to a question rather than a definitive conclusion. The question should be : How do persecuted groups in the US going to suffer under Biden & Harris?
Of course, the entire premise is that voting is the most important and sometimes sole act of political agency that can actually change the politics of the state. Ask yourself, is that true? Has not foreign and domestic policy remained consistent among administrations and Congresses in its degradation of quality of American life for the past 50 years?
I don't know about others, but I am aware of it. I actively disregard it. I wouldn't call it a flaw, but a feature.
Honestly I disagree. Hexbear is in my experience most often a mirror. I've seen plenty of people ask genuine questions and get genuine answers. The venomous hostility comes out in response to venomous smugness.
I don't really see hexbear as an echo chamber. We get plenty of smuglords chiming in with the same takes daily. Apart from that there is lively discussion and varied analysis of world events and political agendas. Not to mention how we're all mired in capitalist propaganda everywhere else.
I see people disagree all the time, I see lib takes often and those takes only get treated harshly when they're posted in condescention. Looking thru this thread it's not like the Kamala-people are being civil, so why should I?
I've seen hexbear users say they'll vote for Kamala and I've seen civil discussion with them - That was before her stance on genocide became clear. Now there is immediate hostility (specifically to the concept of voting for Kamala or Trump) because that is implicitly stating that the person is supportive of the palestinian genocide. At that point idgaf about how civil they were about it, they're literally arguing for genocide.
I suppose sometimes elaboration is something I seek in Hexbear comments and posts. Otherwise we talk in cliches and phrases rather than elaborated thoughts; though my experience may not be the empirical reality of genuine intellectual exchange, understanding, and catharsis here on this site.
As in this example, liberals tend to present the trolley problem but we already know that these groups are slated for danger and disintegration because the ruling class has decided this to be normal. The trolley is multi-track drifting, the rails converge and destroy those groups inevitably and the only remedy is to stop the momentum of the train.
I was referring to the axiom and common knowledge being relied on to communicate with one another, the way friends or colleagues with similar politics and world views use short cut phrases and conversation to recycle and communicate interpretations and understandings of history and current events.
So to an outsider it comes off as vague and esoteric, even to those who come in good faith, or share our politics but are unfamiliar with the culture. In other words, my experience on some posts is the same phenomenon of trying to interpret a Blackmoldfuture post; an opening statement that looks like it belongs in the middle of an essay or conversation.