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Voting for Claudia de la Cruz at this point will not actually help, and deep down I'm sure you know that. Fundamental changes are needed to break through the 2-party system. And I'm sure you know that too. You're basically polishing a shiny chrome gearshift knob you bought in case someday your grandchildren can afford a fancy car. Congratulations!
Oh they absolutely know.
Psl is literally a revolutionary party.
It doesn’t get more fundamental than that.
PSL is a spoiler campaign that isn’t even on the ballot in most states because they are inexperienced, do-nothing spoilers. Any vote for them is an assist for Trump.
To anyone reading along- ask yourself this:
These people that ask you to vote for the PSL. Where were they over the past four years? Have you even heard of their spoiler candidate before a few weeks ago? What have they done to make their policy known? And like the “socialists” like to say:
“What has she done to earn your vote?”
These people simping for the PSL don’t have your interest in mind any more that the members that are trying to get themselves elected.
Do NOT take them seriously until they show that have earned your attention!
Oh hey! Nice to see you!
Psl is on the ballot in 20 states, you’re right, and it would be 22 if they weren’t pushed off or invalidated in Georgia and Pennsylvania.
But they’re allowed write in candidates in 23 states and that gives them a possible 464 electoral votes. More than enough to win!
Write in ballots are counted. I know because I’ve worked elections and seen the process where they’re added to a tally.
I will take an inexperienced candidate over one in favor of genocide any day.
De la Cruz has made a commitment to end the genocide which is a fundamental part of the psl platform in 2024 and has a plan to use executive power to end the genocide. Even if I wasn’t a booster of psl already that would go a long way towards earning my vote.
To anyone reading this: feel free to congratulate me, because I just earned your attention!
De La Cruz and the PSL Actually does things outside of run for office. Organize various revolutionary groups, protest genocide, help marginalized communities.
Just because you ignore all political action besides voting every 4(or maybe 2) years doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
They do nothing to earn their support of votes. Nothing. Little to no campaigning. Seemingly no viable policy that could work in the real world- and seemingly no willingness to even try and enter the ring and work with anyone.
Nothing but empty promises and demands that will be laughed out of offices.
But it sure looks good to people ignorant enough to not bother to understand how politics work in the real world.
Change doesn’t happen just because you want it badly enough.
I've been seeing it lots lately that party's don't have to earn votes but I guess it's just Dems who are owed them?
Oh ya dude the Dems and Republicans loveee fulfilling campaign promises! That's why we have healthcare, loan forgiveness, legal weed, the abolition of the death penalty...
Ah that's what I was forgetting. In the real world only bad things can happen. It is foolish to believe anything good could occur. Ignorant me.
Than why vote for Kamala or Trump? We're told Harris wants to end the genocide despite all evidence and that we must vote for her... And yet it seems to be simply based on the power of belief that she will do good things. Kamala isn't going to stop the slaughter just because you want her to. Ditto for trump. His followers beliefs are all that keep him afloat despite him doing Jack shit.
It's not about the player, it's about the game. Two party first past the post systems are subject to the weakness of the "Spoiler effect" which is a legitimate problem with the design of the system.
As a Canadian this is a well known and well worn principle of our election landscape as "strategic voting" has been byword in elections for about 20 years. The Electoral College creates additional complexity that is more or less something that can be pointed to as the source of the problem but the issues are much deeper.
I know it's really hard to actually come up against these principles and lose one's innocent belief that the system rewards your type of participation... But you need to look beyond the gloss and realize how cracked the system is otherwise you will be played.
If the democrats lose because of the spoiler effect you describe, do you think they’ll try to take on the positions of the party that they “lost” the most votes to?
Spoiler effect is fake and made up, but for the purposes of your belief that it’s real, will one or the other major party try to court third party voters in the case that they believe themselves to have been harmed by it?
Not really. The Democrats are aware of the effect but if they lose they basically just go back to the drawing board. They actively benefit from a lack of knowledge of the FPTP drawbacks so they don't bring it up unless things get dire enough to tip their hand. They have been squirrelly about letting that understanding flourish so they have been putting forward a sacrificial lamb in the form of the Electoral College to keep people's eye off the prize.
But unless you get a once in a lifetime knife edge minority government third parties tend to be unstable voting blocks who don't have the ability to influence schedules which is where the real power lies. They might vote their hearts but it doesn't matter if they can't even propose time on the floor for their issues.
From the standpoint of the beneficiaries of the spoiler effect you are a sacrifice that is useful because if we are having this conversation then we aren't talking about more threatening things lile election reform.