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Conversations like this are why I want more people, especially "normies", in the Fediverse (old.reddit.com)

submitted 3 days ago by Cryophilia@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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When we have a critical mass of people, we can get random experts chiming in about interesting topics in an organic way.

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[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

One problem is we get people from ml posting on .world and other sane instances.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago

Yes, but rarely. And you won't get banned from .world for a slight criticism of China.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

I see em alllll the time. But I don't block anyone, ever.

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 3 days ago

Sigh... I used to be that way. But it does get exhausting, and I now prefer to spend my time in other ways.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah, but it's important to refute their bullshit if we want the fediverse to get better.

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

No, it's really not - see e.g. https://youtu.be/BFSe5-i1LoU and actually I cannot recommend that entire channel highly enough, it is amazing! It is like a mini college course in the subject, and describes how the Alt-Right movement in America (following patterns used in Russia for years) resorts to many tactics that are low-effort and literally designed to waste the time of the responder.

Imagine you had a PhD, specifically in vaccines, and you were arguing with a 2-year-old who no matter what you said then responded with "nuh-uh", and occasionally threw in zingers at the level of "I know you are but what am I?!"

It is not important to refute the bullshit of people refusing to engage in good faith, and in actual fact it is precisely the opposite: by giving them the opportunity to continue forward you are merely playing into their game.

Maybe you pick your battles I'm not suggesting otherwise, just that in general I find it best to not engage with trolls. I tried that on Reddit, as a mod of two small gaming subs, and I learned my lesson: it was me who was changed, not them. Until I decided to leave Reddit entirely, regardless of whether I came here or not.

And now that I'm here, forewarned is forearmed, and I'm not enjoying having to go through that fight yet again, but it must be done by the only way is forward... towards whatever goal I choose, and for the I choose happiness rather than continually hitting my head against a brick wall:-).

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Depends on how you engage. If you recognize a troll, don't fall for the sealioning. Just call them names and make fun of them until they run away.

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

If that works for you, then go for it:-). Would we call this "anti-trolling"? :-P

But the OP was about how to bring in normies, and in that context, I would like to see some kind of warning label slapped onto certain places on the Fediverse - as in, "warning: this place often spouts bullshit, just so you know, caution is advised". Again, we are talking about "normies" - they may not all want to anti-engage with trolls as you do.

i.e., doing so should be opt-in, rather than opt-out, imho.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

That's fair. But I think that's kind of what I'm doing by combating the trolls. "Some of these people spout bullshit, but they get called out by the community".