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[-] Karjalan@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't understand how there are undecided voters this election... I understand trump voters. Ride or die republicans, bigots, wealthy people that want more money for themselves. They are fucked up, but they make sense.

But how are you undecided? What are you weighing up. If you're not in the aforementioned groups, what single positive thing does trump offer?

[-] stochasticity@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

I've seen some people try the free speech angle. But that isn't true either. Neither he nor Elon are actually about free speech.

[-] Karjalan@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

No, they're inherently more anti free speech than the people they're puroportedly against, anyone using that justification is either ignorant or only cares about not getting in trouble for being a bigot

[-] Lightor@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Right? How can that be said with a straight face with all these "woke" book bans. And then Trump saying he wants to arrest the media for saying bad things about him.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Undecided voters aren’t undecided because they’re oblivious to what’s going on. They’re undecided because they live in a swing state, so they have more power than the average voter, and most importantly they want something. They see the candidates campaigning specifically for them. They’re hoping to be offered a promise they actually care about.

[-] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 3 weeks ago

And yet the things wanted are being pretty directly ignored to hopefully find other no voters in swing states and rag them out to vote.

It's been a pretty obvious back and forth of requests and then ignoring them and trying to offer something else. I don't know how people are confused about what is happening.

[-] InputZero@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

The only reason I can actually understand an undecided voter is if it's actually a strategic decision to entice the parties to give them more. An undecided voter is worth so much that Elon is literally giving away millions of dollars to sway them. Yeah it's chump change to him but it's still unprecedented. It would be kind of like a nullifying jurur, in that they're saying something completely different than what they're thinking. That totally gives undecided voters way more credit than they're actually due, because in reality they're just ignorant of the situation.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago

My guess is the Palestinian issue which puts people on the fence. Both parties would still support the Israeli government.

[-] slampisko@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Both parties would still support the Israeli government.

Exactly, and Trump is so much worse in everything else, not to mention that he'd also be worse in the very Palestinian issue you're concerned about! Even with this issue in the equation I still don't understand it

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Well, I'm not American so I cannot feel the existential dilemma between picking a genocider or ride or die genocider. But if I am electing, I certainly don't want to feel being forced to pick either two. I imagine many Americans probably feel uncomfortable with that as well.

Additionally, another factor with Trump still polling remarkably well is because a lot of people perceive the economy under Trump to be better. Take it as you will, but people under economic pressure feel forced to pick the extreme. People typically value economic security over liberty, unfortunately.

[-] slampisko@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, the ingrained illusion that Republicans are better for the economy is a very unfortunate one

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