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"First things first, I just want to say the fact that the murderer had 47 guns and 26,000 rounds of ammunition sheds no light on his personality or the crime."
Okay.
If he regularly shot pictures of women or something sure but owning a lot of guns or buying ammo in bulk isn't really any indication of domestic violence. The son even said there wasn't a history of violence. It seems like the heavy drinking or arguments have more correlation than anything.
Media outlets often cite things like how many guns someone has to freak out people who don't know about guns. All the dude needed to fuck up was a single handgun and a single bullet. If he was drunk he shouldn't have even been carrying. And being drunk isn't really a good argument for why someone got violent.
Good thing there isn't a known correlation between gun ownership and higher rates of domestic homicide, right? That would totally destroy your argument. How embarrassing that would be.
A lot of domestic violence involving a gun doesn't mean that most gun owners are abusive.
No one said "most gun owners". You're trying to shift the argument to something you have a chance with.
My original statement was that owning a lot of guns wasn't suggestive of anything. The comment suggested there was a "correlation" with owning guns and domestic violence in response.
It actually does, which you would know if you even glanced at the sources I provided.
That is a different statement. It's saying abusers can be more dangerous with a weapon. It does not follow that people who own a weapon are somehow more likely to be an abuser.
To make that argument it would need to say something about what percentage of gun owners commit abuse or some kind violent crime.
You can find higher rates of domestic violence among cops for instance so maybe you could argue cops are more likely to be abusers.
Or does it?
Correlation isn't causation. Example, we all have drunk water. Everyone dies at some point. I found correlation that drinking water causes death 100% of the time.
The number of guns isn't the issue, it's what he's choosing to do with them. There are legitimate reasons to own them that are not malicious. Gun collection for example. There are some wacky designs out there. Look up the forgotten weapons YouTube channel for examples.
owns 47 guns, 26,000 rounds -> shoots wife
Never woulda seen that coming! Must be the booze!
Literally was holding the murder weapon on his fucking leg while having the argument.
All of the 2A assholes in this thread: Nothing to see here!
When you've collected 47 hammers. All your problems begin to look like nails.
I suppose the guns hypnotized him and made him do it? He did it because he was a piece of shit.
At least he had access to a weapon that could kill someone in an instance.
Yeah because having so many guns you literally have a gun on your ankle while also being a belligerent drunk doesn't prime you more for murder the next time you "lose it".
Guns make murder literally child's play. If he wasn't such an ammo sexual he may have slapped his wife and gotten beaten up by his son and landed in the drunk tank, but because a gun was easier and more available his first round of reported domestic violence was lethal.
Wrong.
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So you're explaining why most other nations who have gun laws have fewer gun deaths, right?
Violence was a thing before guns existed. If I got stabbed I'm not going to think, "Thank goodness I wasn't shot." I suppose I'll have plenty of to think about it while waiting for the cops to show up though.
Cherry picking and a lack of controling for confounding variables is an issue when people try to make the claim you did. There is also a lot more going on than just gun laws. When normal people don't benefit from our GDP it really isn't a good benchmark for comparable countries. When people have a lack opportunities or lack social programs there will probably be some social problems.
If I had time enough to ponder my injuries after being stabbed, the thought "at least I wasn't shot" would absolutely cross my mind. But maybe that's just an American thing
Generic pro-gun trash.
Nobody is claiming the guns invented violence, they're pointing out how guns turn emotions into murders faster, and with more lethality, that any other form of violence.
Then of course there's the usual "I will only consider the idea of not selling guns to deeply and blatantly damaged people after you cure every single person in America of every currently incurable mental health issue and build a perfect utopia of equality and free hugs".
But I've got an even better idea: we could just ignore what the gun lobby and pro-gun crowd wants and address things now, without their rubber stamp of approval.