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Who are the good guys in the Israel/Palestine conflict? (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 weeks ago by Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

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[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago

The Warsaw Uprising was an open air prison/ghetto break with a wide number of participants, both organized and not. Those facing violence by the people seeking to fight their genociders were not just those in the military. It was anyone in the way or supporting them, per individuals' wonts.

In addition, Hamas et al (Hamas was not the only organized group participating 10/7) did also focus on military targets while also taking hostages from a wider set. It is important to note that kibbutzim, little settler colonies, are often militarized and fired on them and others.

[-] mo_lave@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

What sources do you have on German civilian casualties during the Warsaw Uprising?

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Direct accounts. Here is one.

https://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/warsaw-uprising.html

[-] mo_lave@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thanks for the resource. Couldn't find references to casualties on German civilians inflicted by the ZOB, it's all SS, Gestapo, and soldiers.

The ZOB now carried out a programme designed to rid the Jewish population of hostile elements and of those individuals who collaborated with the Germans.

That's the closest I can find. And "individuals who collaborated with the Germans" suggest Jews considered as traitors

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

If you don't consider current and former cops (collaborator gestapo) to be in that category then presumably you would say the same for current and former IDF soldiers, i.e. basically every Israeli swttler, especially in kibbutzim.

[-] mo_lave@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean, let's say they are for the sake of argument, what Palestinian kibbutzim/IDF did Hamas target on Oct 7? That's an apples-to-apples analogy of the source provided.

Did the ZOB seek out people like German women, children, elderly?

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, let’s say they are for the sake of argument, what Palestinian kibbutzim/IDF did Hamas target on Oct 7?

Kibbutz and IDF are Israeli settler entities, not Palestinian.

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