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Teary-eyed John Oliver begs reluctant voters to back Harris
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That the far left vote is fickle and that it's better to try to cater to Dick and Liz Chaney and hope for the solid neoconservative vote instead??
Yeah, abstain from voting harder. Let's see where that gets ya. If you want to pull the party left, the. Prove to the party that there is a left they can pull to.
Is accepting someone’s support with literally nothing in trade really “catering to” though?
I mean the "trade" is just the implicit alignment of platform, really. Kamala offers stances that are not entirely disagreeable to moderate Republicans who feel more alienated by the neofascist shift the GOP has taken now.
I wish Kamala was further to the left in general, but I can't confidently say she'd gain more leftist votes than she'd lose centrist votes.
i live in a solidly blue state and voting third party. doing so guarantees that i could never help trump thanks to the same electoral college that gives trump a chance at winning; i'm using the system against itself and you should too whenever you have the chance.
also republicans take direct action to work around issues that prevent their base from winning and democrats would benefit by taking similar actions; but don't since leftists platforms drive away campaign donors so it's a self made rock and a hard place for democrats.
Oh, so are you pushing for a Senator or a Representative who can more seriously push the party left?
i left the democrat fold after dadt & doma and the ensuing decades have proved to me that it was the right decision for my circumstances and i made it easy for myself by moving into a solidly blue state where my choices would be drowned out by the voting masses who generally align with my views most of the time.
i will have to make decisions once the democrat's conversion into diet republicans starts to effect their palatability in my state and i'll have an answer to your question at that time.
So you gave up on Democrats over a generation ago and expect them to try courting you as a potential voter now?
Good luck with that.
Edit: and both of the reasons you cite have since been overturned... by Democrats.
i became twice bitten; thrice shy when i let bernie fool me into thinking that democrats could change in 2016 & 2020, so i don't think the democrats could ever successfully court me again; but they could court the millions of their most fervent base to help them win elections instead of driving them away while becoming diet republicans.
So you're literally admitting that your entire narrative is in bad faith.
At least you (finally) admit it.
how so?
Because you'd been falsely presenting as a disillusioned Democrat that could be won over if Harris changed position on supporting Isreal. And framing it as others such as yourself could be won over as well, and that the Dems deserve whatever they get for failing to do so.
Yet you now admit that the Dems will never get your vote (in the short term), and that changing position on Isreal support would not get them your vote.
That's literally what this community has vocalized repeatedly in response to people like yourself who grandstand on genocide despite the only other option being worse genocide.
Tl;Dr- you admit that pandering to people like you will achieve nothing.
thanks for explaining.
i'm not in the democrat fold; i'm closer to them than i am to the republicans so i've voted for them in the past, but i think my history with them precludes ever joining. i'm not a disillusioned democrat.