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Teary-eyed John Oliver begs reluctant voters to back Harris
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She has to take current strategy, because people like you are not voting, so in order to win she has to rely on votes of people that you don't agree with.
i live in a solidly blue state and voting third party. i couldn't help trump win even if i wanted to because of the same electoral college that's helping him win; i'm using the system against itself and you should too every single chance you get.
You keep saying that, as if the people with more sense who live around you excuse your poor decisionmaking.
I voted third-party out of protest in 2016, in a solidly blue state, and it was one of the dumbest things I've ever done. I'd love to convince you somehow to not repeat the same mistake I did, but I can't say anything that others in this thread haven't already, and you seem very unwilling to listen to any of it.
you can convince me and people like bernie & obama have convinced me several times over the decades.
present a new argument that's divorced from american popular indoctrination or give a new perspective that doesn't originate from american propaganda or; at a minimum; give a stronger argument than "trump is worse".
and i keep saying that because people keep coming up w the same arguments.
Kamala has campaigned to protect the bodily autonomy of women and to protect gay marriage, which are very much at stake in this election.
That should be enough, if you're sincere in only seeking an argument that isn't just "Trump is worse."
i think it would be enough if i were younger so that i didn't have first hand experience living through the hiv/aids crisis; 10450; dadt & doma. we've had it worse before; we've literally been doing it for centuries; and we managed to not only survive but thrive enough to shift popular support despite the democrats and the republicans efforts.
also the fact there's significant overlap between the people who created/supported those policies and the people who want us to vote for them now further detracts from this argument.
finally the democrats literally did nothing to protect abortion despite several opportunities when they controlled both houses and the presidency over the decades. they still chose to do nothing with it and their track record convinces me that they never will; the best case scenario is another toothless law like the respect for marriage act.
this is a propaganda originated argument like i was referring to in my previous comment and if you were sincerely reading my comments you would have seen it multiple times.
So...because things were worse once, we should be okay with them getting worse now?
That's bunk. You know it's bunk. What kind of callous person do you have to be to even come to a conversation and say "we had it worse before...we managed to survive"?
Not everyone did.
now this is an EXCELLENT argument and it's the only one i'm still wrestling with since they're hellbent on the genocide no matter what i do.
i'm 100% sure that the damage that the democrats and the american system have inflicted upon my life are coloring my perception and i wish i could be sure that my conviction isn't entirely based on it and i think i mostly continue doing it as dying wish from a loved one who was similarly impacted.
if kamala switches positions; then it doesn't matter because then it will only be this and this alone is not enough to convince me.
genocide and this combined convinces me and kamala can't help with this, but she can do something about genocide.
project 2025 is propaganda; i'm not scared of it and neither should anyone else be, we will survive it and thrive again like we did before.