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Teary-eyed John Oliver begs reluctant voters to back Harris
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Not voting is an act of renouncing your voice and your rights. It's not a protest. It's at best complicity with the status quo, and at worst going to support a candidate that will be far far worse for the issues you are "protesting". You don't get to complain when you don't vote. All you get to do is sit down, shut up, and continue your inaction.
Individual politicians and political parties routinely use count a vote as approval. In that way, if no other, voting does serve to support the existing system.
But, even if you believe there must be revolution and the current system CANNOT be reformed, voting is still harm reduction, unless revolution will happen before the results of the election can influence the system.
I don't think that tracks.
The highest turnout in any US election since 1908 was 62% in 2020, and at no point has a party won an election and been like 'look at all the people who didn't vote, I guess we don't have a mandate to govern'
Parties win elections and govern in power with less than 50% of voters backing them all the time, it's literally the standard. A low turnout will not change the way any party acts once in power.
I never claimed they would use non-voting as a signal for anything, only that they count votes as agreement, not mere tolerance.
I saw an anecdote here the other day on why it is important to vote for Harris even if you disagree with Harris politically.
I'm pretty sure the anecdote is fake but the general story goes:
In 2000, someone attended a rally for Al Gore in Florida. They ended up deciding that the democrats didn't represent their voice. They felt (correctly) that the environment was an important issue and that Gore wasn't going to do enough to save the environment, so they voted green party instead as a way to punish the Dems and make them see the light.
We all know what happened after, but think of what might have been if just a few thousand Floridians voted for Gore instead of... well, anyone else.
You can "what if" and project this election forever, but I think its important to remember that if shockingly few people voted for Al Gore instead of a third-party candidate, or protest voting, the global war on terror probably would never have happened. Maybe the 2008 housing crisis too. We would likely be reaping the benefits of decades of green energy research, instead of just getting started.
Why would that anecdote be fake? Nothing about that is hard to believe, there were likely thousands of Floridians in 2000 that had that exact experience. It's literally why Bush "won."
Specifically because its told from the POV of someone attending a Stevie Wonder rally in Florida. But as far as I can tell Stevie only opened for Gore in Washington State or something.
It doesn't really matter if the story is true or not though. The core truth is the same: your vote matters, don't throw it away. Anyone who tells you your vote doesn't matter or that your voice is unimportant is actively working against you.
Just found this post, seems likely to be the same thing: https://lemmy.world/post/21602581
Different post, same story.
So then why did we get further environmental destruction and more war on terror under Obama? Why was Hillary Clinton, a notorious war hawk set to succeed Obama instead of someone with genuinely progressive positions?
The US has a fascist far right and a far right with gay rights party up for election. And the far right with gay rights party has become more reactionary on issues like immigration and also in many places violently cracked down on peaceful anti-racist protests. It is currently violently cracking down on anti-genocide protests. Maybe there is a chance to reform that party. But this requires a mass uprising against the entrenched party elite. The party elite that has used the fascist far right as a boogeyman threat to not question their power. A threat that they rather accept bringing into power than to provide non-genocide, non-racist, non-exploitative policies.
Hysterical and immature.
Because Al Gore didn't win and because the global war on terror happened and the 2008 housing market collapse happened. Obama might never have been president.
Like, what point are you even trying to make? The world you describe doesn't exist in a timeline where Gore wins.
The amount and percentage of non-voter signals to most politicians that people tacitly approve of the entire system. After all, if they disapproved of something about it, they would've at least bothered to show up and vote, right?
There's no better "the status quo is fine" indicator than not even giving enough of a shit to show up at the polls (or in some cases return a slip of paper through the mail).
In what world is refusing to participate in a system you see as irreparably broken considered condoning its existence?
For the record, I voted for the lesser fascist because a complete redo of our system will be slightly harder under the rule of greater fascists.
In a world where refusal to participate is indistinguishable from being too lazy, complacent, or satisfied to participate, and that is the one we live in.
Do you think politicians are going to go check why you didn't vote? It's basically as if you don't exist to them.
Edit: I find it hilarious that when people disagree with my argument here, they downvote this post to signal that. Why do that? If I'm wrong, I can just look through everyone's viewing history to see all of the people who didn't vote on the post at all instead. 😆
When someone that would normally vote blue goes third party, they are giving their vote to trump. That is practically Jill Stein's while entire purpose.
Would you be happy for a republican to renounce their vote in protest?
that is why I tend to submit an invalid vote. I vote for exactly none of them.
calm down, I'm not in the US
Na, I like to stand up and shout my inaction and why.
"All you get to do is sit down, shut up, and continue your inaction."
So how is that any different from what the centrists will be doing? Seems like the same outcome for the peasants either way, especially if you dont live in a swing or red state.