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[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 year ago

But that's just the generated per kwh cost, not taking into account when the energy is generated. To compare a full renewables grid to a renewables nuclear mixed grid you need to take into account massive energy storage systems and their inefficiencies and possible material shortages. We can't just compare the currently favorable cost per kwh without taking into account problems as we scale into less reliable energy sources.

[-] Serpent@feddit.uk 7 points 1 year ago

You will need long term storage in both cases. Nuclear can't act as a peaker because you can't quickly ramp up or down the generation. Nuclear can only perform as baseload which, in theory, could be provided by a renewable energy mix if the install base is high enough.

I don't disagree with your point that it isn't a simple direct comparison but any sensible energy mix will still require storage. I find it difficult to see the economic case for nuclear if renewables can be installed in sufficient quantities, given that nuclear is roughly 4 times as expensive as solar and wind.

[-] WagnasT@iusearchlinux.fyi 5 points 1 year ago

With 100% renewables you would need almost 100% storage and potentially for multiple days, with a nuclear baseload you'd only need storage for the peaks, you could even use excess renewables to charge up the storage for these peaks.

[-] Serpent@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Not sure about the 100% point but you will certainly need long term storage which is an unsolved problem. A point I wanted to make was that with enough renewables installed you have the baseload. You would also have an excess of production at peak times that would be useful to store long term.

My personnal view is that a sensible energy mix should have some nuclear but I don't think it is the key to solving our future energy requirements and should be minimal as it isn't good value.

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