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You won't care about Taiwan until your iPhone costs $3000, then you might realize it was worth defending
Most American comment, talk about the end of democracy for millions of people and death of thousands, worry about the price of their iphone
I don't use Phones. Besides - they just gonna move chip making to us in that case.
They’ve been trying to move chip fabricators to the US for decades. The education system is shit here and we don’t have the talent. Also it’s really difficult to get the fabricators right and built for a reasonable cost. So yeah. Your non-iphone is gonna be pricey.
i mean, we're literally building fabs under the CHIPS act right now.
The CHIPS act? You mean one of the things the Biden admin bragged about?
Good thing the incoming administration isn't petty enough to nuke anything associated with the previous administration...
yeah.
that would be unfortunate.
Remember when the US government gave the telecoms billions to build gigabit internet infrastructure nationwide and they fuckin just didn’t do it?
Pepperidge Farm remembers. Show me a working fab as a result of that act after Trump and Co manage to not fuck it up and then your comment might have some merit. Note: the coming brain drain will not be kind to the USA.
me too, i also remember in 1930, when the great depression happened. I don't see the relevance here though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act#Impact
shit in r&d is not like throwing money at big corpo and hoping they do what you want. If you don't turn out results in r&d, it's a dead field.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act#Project_announcements
plenty of project announcements, idk if you think the government can't like, build buildings or something, even though they can make the interstate highway system. But in defense of the CHIPS, building fabs is really fucking hard, costs billions of dollars, and takes many, many years.
Which of those projects will be ready by the time China invades Taiwan in early 2025? And how will those factories absorb all the global orders for chips when they’re not ready?
You are agreeing with me. Fabs are hard. Our people are stupid. Their people are smart. If their people are tied up in a war and dying, and their fabs are destroyed, and our fabs are half built and the Trump admin never holds them accountable and they take the money and run or fuck it up since there’s no oversight because DeReGuLaTiOn, how exactly does that make a difference as to whether the government is trying to build fabs? If they’re functionally not prepared to absorb the global demand created by WW3, then where will America get its chips? Electing Trump is literally a national security concern at this point.
for one, there's no guarantee. Trump should want to protect taiwan, as it's a strategically convenient point of interest.
well sort of, your argument is "well its hard and difficult so why should we ever try" my argument is "doing literally anything at all is going to be a better move."
yeah idk i think they would probably move to the US. The place where they are most likely to be able to fabricate again.
you are unironically concern trolling with this post.
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