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Donald Trump projected to win 2024 election
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From what I've seen it's people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.
This is exactly what happened with Brexit.
Status-quo politics is dead, many major western parties just haven't realized this yet. People want firmer political leadership that promises fundamental change and isn't afraid of breaking things along the way.
It's just fucking unfortunate that (in most countries) it's only the far right who are ahead of the curve at realizing this.
Center to left parties need to reinvent themselves and focus less on pleasing everyone or fighting losing battles. They also need to present a much clearer vision.
For the record, we progressives in the US have been trying to foment that kind of attention. Messaging seems to be artificially limited by the corporate media, which is why groups like XR have had to resort to super glue hands onto the outer frames of art.
Every time we gain some momentum, serious violence appears, perfectly on schedule, to quell our desire for change.
This is what people do not seem to understand. Fascism has the backing of global capitalism. All of the multinationals and industries who have been top dogs for the entire industrial revolution — fossil fuel corporations, weapons manufacturing and the entire military industrial complex — all of the food supply chain, major media networks, social media networks, and big tech companies, who have built a more expansive surveillance apparatus than Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia — ALL of the leaders of the highly-centralized functional-monopolies of 21st C capitalism benefit from fascism. The 1/100 who says "not like this" is irrelevant.
They're all part of the big club (even if they are oblivious to it) and you aren't in it.
Important to note here, the status quo is the status quo for a reason. Incremental evidence based change happens slowly. It cannot happen fast, and that's good. Slow is stable. The clear vision is "the system we have but marginally better tomorrow. And then the day after tomorrow, marginally better than that." It's foolish to vote for anyone who promises drastic change, left, right, up, or down. It's a trick. It's like changing 5 variables at once in a science experiment and expecting any sort of result better than random chance. We don't have a perfect system but rolling the dice on a wannabe fascist dictator is obviously not the way forward if you have two brain cells to run together, but an alarming amount of people seem to just not get it.
Just look at history though and you'll see that most significant changes (both bad and good) happen abruptly and it's often a bit messy.
Unfortunately it's just the way that humans work
Exactly. It's like the (apocryphal?) quote.
I'm definitely not disagreeing with that, my point is like you said, both good AND bad changes come out of drastic shakeups, and you don't know which one you're going to get.
That's only helpful if you feel like there have actually been improvements over the last few years/decades.
A lot of people feel like crime is constantly rising, morals in general are not being valued anymore and that the economy is constantly in decline. Mixed with a widespread believe that most politicians are bought anyways.
These feelings aren't rooted in facts but they are there and they make it difficult to simultaneously believe in gradual improvement.
That does not reflect history at all. Changes are often big, sudden, and violent. They may simmer for years before hand but they go off fast.
"Center" is almost always the establishment. The whole problem with the status quo is that they have hijacked the idea to be associated solely with them.
People generally like status quo. When life is not perfect, but doesn't become worse. The thing is - people also hate growing and entrenching elite whose power is represented by parties who generally represent that option (and who press out anyone else trying to present a better version of it).
Ultimately people feel that power as something they want to free themselves from, and thus vote for those who promise destructive action.
Anyway, let's not forget that the last 4 years, despite the emotion in the media, were with Biden-Harris, not with Trump. All those nice things they promised - those really can only be done after year 2024, no way to try before it, right?
And Trump, despite all the scary promises, is not going to break too many things either. The difference between these parties is not as big as it would seem.
Also he attracted RFK. RFK, other than being an antivaxxer, is almost leftist. OK, not leftist, but a normal Democrat, one can say. That may mean a bit of moderation. That's if he gets any real influence and has not been just fooled for votes.
Well, they're certainly going to get change, that's for sure. I hope they're happy sleeping in the bed they made.
No, they won't. Like it happened in 2020. The problem is that there might not be another chance to rectify this if project 2025 can truly happen.
There's certainly going to be change, just not the change any sane person actually wants.
As republicans taking even more from the playbooks of Viktor Orbán and Vladimir Putin, they're going to be told it were the Mexicans, China, the LGBTQ+ agenda, women, neomarxists, etc, that shit the bed, not them.
They will be very unhappy about it. And they will look to Trump to tell them who to blame for it. And they will someday die, self-righteous and ignorant of what they cost themselves.
This. Both the Biden and Harris campaign were focused on "it's not actually that bad, but it'll be worse under Trump". And for a lot of people, it IS that bad. All they heard from Harris was that it will be more of the same, and the same isn't working for a lot of Americans.
Fair enough.
But what is it they heard from Trump, then? I can not understand Americans. They vote for a felon who can not make a coherent sentence. What kind of change they expect, exactly?
I mean, what kind of change a black person who voted from Trump expects, for example? I truly can not comprehend.
From what I gather, Trump has said basically everything in response to stuff, and people selectively hear or social media just filters through the message from him they want to hear.
Some of the stunts like swaying to music for 30 minutes and play-acting a McDonald's worker make him look a bit cute and silly, but Harris isn't held to even the same dimension of standards -- by media, by voters and even by her own supporters.
There are hundreds of things Trump has done that would have tanked any other person's campaign in the last 60 years. But his case is that he would do all of these things to somehow fix the country. He is selling fake snake oil solutions and people bought it hook line and sinker again.
Just like with Brexit, geriatric brains still insisting that the world should be catering to THEIR demands. And similarly bitter that the world has moved on and they're all-but-obsolete.
Their votes are Boomer tantrums for attention.
In both cases Putin won.
Which was also influenced by russian campaigns
If that's what they actually wanted they'd be progressives, instead of voting to take exactly the worst parts of the status quo and make them even worse.